10 Pips Per Day - Everyday

Discussion in 'Forex' started by Trader200K, Dec 23, 2007.

  1. If you read my posts in this thread with care, you'd see that I began to speak of an AVERAGE of 200 pips a month (equal to 10 pips a day) as a REACHABLE profit, never as a profit to aim to make.

    Though I don't see anything wrong in setting a goal and trying to make it. Agree with you just in one point: if you aim for 10 pips a day, your average will almost surely will be less than that simply because not every day it is possible to take your goal.


    Not at all. I am absolutely sure you can win long term with 10 pip targets as well if you keep your stop right enough (say 5 or 3 pips). You admitted you don't know about futures, but futures is exactly what top scalpers trade and FX future (6E) is arbed to death with cash EURUSD and moves EXACTLY in line with it (with just some negligible deviations). And 3-5 pip stop is for sure can be employed there (I do well with such short stop-losses myself).... Why same can't be done in cash FX, please tell me? :D


    So what? No difference from any other market in the world...


    No. See above why. It's for you 10 pips can seem small profit, but for a scalper it can easily be a good 1:3 r/r target level.


    The problem will be when trader sets a goal of 10 pips per day and tries to take it no matter what, thus making up trades... Then it is a problem for sure... But making an average of 10 pips a day is not a problem at all.
     
    #301     Jan 1, 2008
  2. I don't trade FX intraday for six months yet, but use exactly the same method as do in SIFs and performed hundreds of trades already in FX alone, so pretty sure it does work.

    Mostly reversals and trend retracements.


    Statistical most of the time... Based on natural levels sometimes.


    Targets, mostly based on natural levels.

    No, I developed a style slowly with time while watching the price every day and making observations.
     
    #302     Jan 1, 2008
  3. There is a HUGE difference between banks and "world's best investors" who have to make that 20% on billions of dollars and a retail trader with several $K account...

    First are almost completely unable to trade like any retail day- or even swingtrader mostly does, which is - setting a hard stop and trading with an exactly defined risk.

    Trading with 10 or even 100 cars in ES with a fixed stop of 3 handles is no big deal. Trading the same way with 50,000 cars is kiss of death!

    Thats the reason most banks etc. switch to complex models and longer term investment strategies which of course make less percentage wise.

    Once again, maybe you go and learn a little more about markets before arguing with people who actually have some real experience? :)
     
    #303     Jan 1, 2008
  4. Acs

    Acs


    Trading with a $k account and a billion $ account is no difference at all.

    The reason they would only make 20% is beacuse they are trying to follow a consistant strategy that will work over a long period of time without the least amount of exposure to risk.

    Now if you decide to make 1200% in 1 week you are simply exposing yourself to huge risks. Which in turn you will eventually end with wiping out your account.

    Do you want to trade for 1 year? or 20 years? beacuse it is the latter that i think you will find will be rewarding and which is the most difficult to achieve.

    One you eliminate that risk and can achieve sustained returns consistantly, you can leverage your strategy to any amount you please, and that is how you will succeed.
     
    #304     Jan 1, 2008
  5. loik

    loik

    :D
     
    #305     Jan 1, 2008
  6. JSSPMK

    JSSPMK

    yes, that is an odd statement at best.
     
    #306     Jan 1, 2008
  7. Acs

    Acs

    Shows your understanding then?

    I think many of you should look at the statistics. how many people and these are proffesionals who manage funds, actually make money over a period of a few years. Its about 70%, now when you take this to a period of 20 years almost every single one of them fails.

    $k account to billions, its doesnt matter you would still follow he same strategy,

    the amount in your account has nothing to do with your strategy just beacuse you have $k you can over trade and over leverage it??? you do that with any amount and you lose,
     
    #307     Jan 1, 2008
  8. ROFL! Please! It's in your best interests to stop writing things like that... It seriously harms your reputation, believe me.

    I really don't want to insult you by saying this, but such posts look like you have no idea what trading really is... :(

    Have you ever heard such a word as "liquidity"?
     
    #308     Jan 1, 2008
  9. Acs

    Acs

    No i think its your understanding that seems to be lacking, you seem to misunderstand the concept of LONG TERM.

    There is no difference, What you seem to misunderstand is that you need a strategy that can be sustained, and as i said then you can levearge this same strategy with your $k account to BILLIONS exactly the same.

    However, as you seem to rather new to all this you still believe that in order to make money you must over leverage your $k beacuse of the numbers.

    $500, $10,000 or billion doesnt matter. Its irelevant.
     
    #309     Jan 1, 2008
  10. I excellently understand what means long term of course. :D

    What you seem to misunderstand is that larger traders switch to long term strategies exactly because they can't trade shorter time frames, because of LIQUIDITY issue.

    And as for banks and hedgies... They use much more complex strategies and often models very different from swing trading for the same reason: they're simply TOO BIG to act as fast and not affect the market as retail trader can do.

    Now we come to key point: any big bank would of course be able to easily make say 50% on account per month as many successful retail traders do IF ONLY THEY COULD trade like them - in and out with a defined risk several times a day, with their SIZE.

    THAT is the difference why 20% yearly for them is often harder than 50% monthly for a retail stocks scalper.

    And many people who blame daytraders being liars, saying "why aren't you a billionaire with such a huge profits" simply don't understand this concept.
     
    #310     Jan 1, 2008