1% a day consistently: possible?

Discussion in 'Automated Trading' started by stephencrowley, Feb 16, 2006.

1% a day consistently, no down weeks: possible?

Poll closed Feb 21, 2006.
  1. Yes

    58 vote(s)
    47.9%
  2. No

    63 vote(s)
    52.1%
  1. Good luck to your journey. Time for me to log off by now.
     
    #71     Feb 19, 2006
  2. newfool

    newfool

    easy now fella!

    :)
     
    #72     Feb 19, 2006
  3. Envy
    :) :D nononsense :D :)
     
    #73     Feb 19, 2006
  4. How do you know this?
    That's why I asked my question about making 10-20% a day - nobody answered. Possibly the 1% figure you (hope you would) make now is only peanuts.
    As some 'learned' people rambled along about statistics leaving behind a superficial fragrance of rigor, it might perhaps be useful to have some kind of an upper estimate for a 'consistently possible' average return per day.

    nononsense
     
    #74     Feb 19, 2006
  5. futs don't move enough to give u the room to accumulate 2% gains, nevermind 20%
    keep on kiddin' uself u'll go far indeed.
     
    #75     Feb 19, 2006
  6. Although you might be an expert you probably never heard about margins. In futures you trade on margins. So on a 500$ margin a 1 point move in the E-mini represents 50$ or 10%.
    Check yourself how big the moves can be intraday.
     
    #76     Feb 19, 2006
  7. I doubt he was talkin' about marginable trades, even tho its very much possible he'll jump on the thread to say exactly that: not the first noob that make such statements.
     
    #77     Feb 19, 2006
  8. romik

    romik

    Look I can't not comment on all the above by saying that you can not get high yield on investment unless you are ready yo take risks, controlled risks. You also can not enter my type of trades if you are under capitalized. I remember the times when American business was SO interested in Russia back in 1990s and still is. Is that not risky? Automated trading perhaps can not reach high return levels, because it is an automated process, machines don't think they simply execute. I do not need a maching to tell me when and what to do. How can the machine know what's happening in the real world? I am a strong believer in the principle to keep it simple in trading, the more one involves a computer program to decide when to enter/exit trades is making a mistake in my opinion. When I look at my trading strategy I realize that there is no way to automate it and be perhaps profitable. In Russia, sorry I was born there, there is a saying "If you don't take risks, you won't be drinking champagne", as naive and childish that might sound as an approach to trading, please have a look at Forbes magazine, most in the lists are high risk takers. I can afford to take calculated risks, based on very strict stops, can you? And it is like religion, if you do not believe something exists, it does not mean that it doesn't.
     
    #78     Feb 19, 2006
  9. The logic of your math sucks and you have apparently no knowledge about the futures markets ( Romik talks about the ES).

    To calculate the ending equity you need at least the following elements to make a realistic calculation:
    -margin per contract
    -maximum position that can be absorbed by the market
    -starting capital

    I will give 2 examples just to show that your calculation is based on simplicity and lack of knowledge about trading:

    first example:
    starting capital 5000 $
    net profit per day 600$ ( equals 12 %)
    maximum number of positions unlimited
    margin per contract 1000$

    We start trading 5 contracts, we trade 21 days.
    You cannot simple compound at 12% a day because you need 500$ to add a new contract. This lowers the effect of compounding. The ending equity for the month will be 49640 $.


    second example:
    starting capital 100000 $
    net profit per day 12000$ ( equals 12 %)
    maximum number of positions unlimited
    margin per contract 1000$

    We start trading 100 contracts, we trade 21 days.
    The last day we will theoretically trade 961 contracts. But the question is: how big can we grow before the position is too big to be executed in a normal way?
    That is the point where ALL the compounding calculations go wrong. They all calculate simply by compounding without taking the limitations of real trading in account. That's how they want to proof that, at the disputed returns, you should own the whole world.

    If Romik is smart he would stop posting about these things because all he can get is negative reactions and unbelief. I have been bashed also before, so i decided not to tell anything anymore. Keep the stupid stupid and the smart smart. And as the stupids always think they are smart, everybody will be happy.
     
    #79     Feb 19, 2006
  10. Futures are always traded on margin. Even the biggest idiot knows that you cannot take 20% a day in the S&P without leverage.
    99.99% of the daily moves in the S&P are smaller than 20%.

    Romik says that his 20% went to 12.8% due to bad execution. If that would be without leverage it would mean the execution took days. It is clear he meant margin trading.
     
    #80     Feb 19, 2006