1% a day consistently: possible?

Discussion in 'Automated Trading' started by stephencrowley, Feb 16, 2006.

1% a day consistently, no down weeks: possible?

Poll closed Feb 21, 2006.
  1. Yes

    58 vote(s)
    47.9%
  2. No

    63 vote(s)
    52.1%
  1. No. The point is, when the variance increases linearly with time the ending point could be anywhere, rich or ruins.

    Also, my strategy is all about heding which may be why you don't understand it.

     
    #121     Feb 19, 2006
  2. Thanks for the encouragement.. at least ET isn't completely overrun with negativity. :D

    All very good points.. it remains to be seen how this will scale when I go live but I believe based on the average trade duration and relative insensitivty of parameters to performance that I should be relatively safe.

    Psychology is another good point.. I think it'll be ok though because I could easily stomach a drawdown twice as large as the ones I've seen in backtesting..

     
    #122     Feb 19, 2006
  3. Without giving away any proprietary stuff, would you care to elaborate in broad, general terms on the manner in which you plan to hedge?
     
    #123     Feb 19, 2006
  4. Long-short portfolios of stuff that moves together. Strict stop-loss when inevitably one of the holdings of the basket announces bad earnings or something and the relationship changes.


     
    #124     Feb 19, 2006
  5. dis

    dis

    So, it takes you only ~6 days to double your money. At this rate, you can multiply your account only ~2**(252/6) or ~4,000,000,000,000-fold every year. No wonder you feel compelled to switch your trading platform.
     
    #125     Feb 19, 2006
  6. Thunderous.

    I do also appreciate the positive post and think you can pass along some good advise to us all.

    This board is 90% filled with traders with an Axe to grid. To bad there is not more education going on to be mutually beneficial.

    SC.....good luck on the project. 1% can happen but you may find more success with Futures or Currency.

    I have a few accounts in our pool that can do 10% + a month but they are all options premium sellers.

    A nice combo (in my opinion) is to use your options selling premium with a nice swing or scalping systems to help supplement returns and use the middle of the box as that does not add intraday risk to your sheets.

    Trade well.
     
    #126     Feb 19, 2006
  7. Well, as you seem to be the smartest person on ET i will repeat a part of one of my previous postings:

    The logic of your math sucks and you have apparently no knowledge about the futures markets ( Romik talks about the ES).

    To calculate the ending equity you need at least the following elements to make a realistic calculation:
    -margin per contract
    -maximum position that can be absorbed by the market
    -starting capital

    I will give 2 examples just to show that your calculation is based on simplicity and lack of knowledge about trading:

    first example:
    starting capital 5000 $
    net profit per day 600$ ( equals 12 %)
    maximum number of positions unlimited
    margin per contract 1000$

    We start trading 5 contracts, we trade 21 days.
    You cannot simple compound at 12% a day because you need 500$ to add a new contract. This lowers the effect of compounding. The ending equity for the month will be 49640 $.


    second example:
    starting capital 100000 $
    net profit per day 12000$ ( equals 12 %)
    maximum number of positions unlimited
    margin per contract 1000$

    We start trading 100 contracts, we trade 21 days.
    The last day we will theoretically trade 961 contracts. But the question is: how big can we grow before the position is too big to be executed in a normal way?
    That is the point where ALL the compounding calculations go wrong. They all calculate simply by compounding without taking the limitations of real trading in account. That's how they want to proof that, at the disputed returns, you should own the whole world.
     
    #127     Feb 19, 2006
  8. lato

    lato

    Hey guys,what you arguing about?

    It is amazing how you can get rich by not being perfect.
    I read some stuff here is good quality conversation and knowledge,but can you just wait untill tuesday the latest to find out who is the last man standing.Who can make 1% daily,who cares,if you can good for you,if you can't than you can't.If you did better on few mililons than 98% of CTAs,than this can tell you that you are above average.

    The last man standing is the only thing that matters.

    What i am saying is being profitable.but in this game the better choice of words would be"not falling for the temptation,that only will take your money away".

    experience is far greater teacher than any explanation

    Good trading to you all.
     
    #128     Feb 19, 2006
  9. Why wait until Tuesday? I made 0.03% Saturday, today and I will on Monday too, as I will not trade...

    Michael B.


     
    #129     Feb 19, 2006
  10. mahras2

    mahras2

    I dont believe it can be done period. 1% I understand may be possible. But 12.5% with a sizable capital capacity (as in the returns do not decrease exponentially after the account gets to only 10K)....now thats pushing it.

    I dont believe it but hey I will see if I am ruled by a world called Romik soon enough if its true. And yes regardless of whats argued if it can even remotely achieve anywhere near 12.5% with a sizable capital capacity, they will take over the world. Here I was thinking a 100% year is good!

    Talk is pretty cheap...lets see some people doing it and post some verification.
    (I know of one person who had been able to do around 1-2% a day and eventually entered a third party trading contest to prove it. I had a 100% month which I documented in a journal...which wasn't consistent due to the use of high leverage. That is also a reason why I do not say that I can post some wild return a day as its not sustainable. Regardless of arguements that may be made.)
     
    #130     Feb 19, 2006