1/4% Tax on all stock trades pushed in NY Times today

Discussion in 'Taxes and Accounting' started by seasideheights, Jan 13, 2009.

  1. gkishot

    gkishot

    Exactly. Some moot debate won't hurt.
     
    #4611     Jan 3, 2010
  2. absolutely agree
     
    #4612     Jan 3, 2010
  3. I just sent the below email.


    Thumbed on my iPhone with typos. CEO GreenTraderTax.com

    On Jan 3, 2010, at 10:33 PM, "Robert A. Green" <rgreencpa@gmail.com> wrote:

    I have covered this tax topic in-depth on my blog, magazine articles and petitions to US Congress. _Please visit my blog to read my articles. _This tax will seriously damage markets, economies and jobs. The answer is more bank capital, regulation and leverage constraints. A bank levy is better than a financial transaction tax but even a levy invites moral hazard. Switzerland, Hong Kong and other market centers will not enact this tax so it will competively hurt the US and UK the most. The IMF is concerned with both of these countries improving their financial condition and this tax will hurt it. The IMF's initial reports and Secretary Geithner are correct on the levy being preferable over a tax. Only desperate political and non-profit elements hungry to win votes (UK Labour) and funds for social causes and a new global tax sovereignty regime are in favor of this tax. None of their reasons justify this economic destruction. Speculators make markets and markets are as imortant as products. Stifling or killing off speculation will raise prices for users like farmers. It's government interferance like price controls. Some desperate countries facing EU budget infractions may be interested in this market control but that is against IMF policies. There is no valid justification for this tax. The IMF report due in early 2010 can put this financial firestorm out worldwide and in the US, UK and finally EU. _Thank you for saving the world again.

    Thumbed on my iPhone with typos. CEO GreenTraderTax.com
     
    #4613     Jan 3, 2010
  4. #4614     Jan 4, 2010
  5. How about extending the simple heuristic Reg-T-like leverage limits to
    other markets with similar volatility? Especially to the market, where
    overleveraging caused the 2008 'credit crunch' crisis?

    Why not focus our regulatory zeal on those lower-middle-class 10:1
    leveraged house market speculators who were the primary source of the
    financial contagion? What exactly is the difference between:

    property_market_speculators_leverage = 1 / (1 - loan_to_value_ratio)

    and the good old:

    stock_market_speculators_leverage = stock / net_liquidation_value

    Well, probably this: the latter has been capped in the US at 2:1 since
    the 1940's, whereas the former is potentially unlimited. E.g. Fannie Mae
    permits 1 / (1 - 0.8) = 500% (5:1) leverage on a painfully illiquid
    house market with margin-call-liquidation periods measured in months. On
    the other hand, if you try to buy DIA or FXE shares with similar or
    lower volatility (and liquidation period measured in milliseconds), you
    cannot exceed 200% (2:1) overnight due to the good old (literally)
    Regulation T.

    And if all animals were equal, then Tobin tax would cover property
    market transactions as well. The proponents would feel on their own skin
    how exactly 'tiny' would a 1% transaction tax be when applied to a 10:1
    leveraged bet (such as a mortgage). (Answer: the Government would take
    20% of your cash deposit, even before any market losses multiplied by
    10). And now a surprise: the capital-efficient low-volatility currency
    markets permit 100:1 leverage. So Tobin-tax them with a 1% rate and you
    get... a daylight robbery, whereby the IRS confiscates the entire cash
    deposit the customer had (twice, if the customer wants to close the
    position).

    But no, every manual worker has a right to home ownership, so labour
    unions would fight a tax on property market leverage tooth and nail,
    which is why in this particular market leverage will be tagged socially
    useful, and we shall silently exempt it (because it is not a 'financial'
    transaction, at least the US Rep. DeFazio says so).

    The IMF knows that they have to tax someone, because their (J.P.
    Morgan's) models of bank capital requirements fail to account for
    volatility mean-reversion, allowing the most aggressive risk-taking to
    go on precisely the very top of any bubble, and constraining bank
    lending only *after* the fact (i.e. the crash), when credit is most
    badly needed for economic recovery. Spain flauted these not exactly
    common-sensical regulations and saved some 'excessive' reserves for lean
    years, and now their banks can afford to take over British ones, which
    played by the Basel II rules...

    So to sum it up, a 0.25% Tobin tax on SPY traders (or rather on their
    accredited investors - mostly pension funds) will obviously address all
    root causes. Rather than merely creating a 10:1 preference for ES
    futures trading (because there the Tobin tax rate proposed in the US is
    10 times lower, 0.02%).

    (a letter sent to mailto:IMFConsultation@imf.org )

    BTW, http://www.imf.org/external/np/exr/consult/2009/index.htm should start displaying some of these messages after January 1.
     
    #4615     Jan 4, 2010
  6. benwm

    benwm

    Did you mistakingly omit the crucial word 'NOT' between obviously & address?!
     
    #4616     Jan 4, 2010
  7. Great find on locating Harkin's bill. Here is another link to track it:

    http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s111-2927

    It currently had (3) co sponsors. It's interesting that it was introduced with so little fan fare. I was searching everyday day for the bill but it never came up anywhere. Very interesting indeed.

    -Guru
     
    #4617     Jan 4, 2010
  8. Does anyone know if the schedules for the Senate Finance Committee and the Committees that the Defazio bill is currently sitting are posted online?

    The schedule for the House & Senate are available online, but I've yet to find schedules for individual committees.
     
    #4618     Jan 4, 2010
  9. I
    Here is a list of the committee members for the Senate Finance Committee:

    http://www.govtrack.us/congress/committee.xpd?id=SSFI

    -Guru
     
    #4619     Jan 4, 2010