1/4% Tax on all stock trades pushed in NY Times today

Discussion in 'Taxes and Accounting' started by seasideheights, Jan 13, 2009.

  1. rc822

    rc822



    I found this article that mentions an Obama press conference in which he mentions speaking favorably of taxing "risky" ventures by Wall Street investors. But it wasn't clear what risky investments he had in mind.


    http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...gxvib2-6-gHuhjA5Q&sig2=2b65R3M-EtvX75eVh2uhIQ
     
    #4571     Dec 30, 2009
  2. I think that it was referring to CDS.
     
    #4572     Dec 30, 2009
  3. muller

    muller

    there's no way can compromise with our free market.
    a smaller percentage is no justification at all.
    you could tax EVERYTHING saying it's only a small percentage.

    we are already paying taxes with our money invested and gains made.
    politicians think they could make a certain amount of money with that transaction tax counting with the transaction volumes that have been going on in the past years.
    but if they come up with the transaction tax, then there'll be less trades, less money circulated, less gains made, less services wanted, less jobs in the financial sectors, less taxes all in all paid in the end.

    and I wonder why the hell they're always putting equities trading for retail traders at such a disadvantage! there's the pattern daytrading rule already keeping many smaller traders out of the equities markets with the reasoning of protecting them from risks and losses. but there's none of such stupid rule in the futures or the forex markets where you can lose even more money!
     
    #4573     Dec 30, 2009
  4. muller

    muller

    and then there'll be less jobs in the advertising industry as well, because then there'll be no need anymore to bring on those many broker ads.
    and with less ads there'll be less sponsoring. and with less sponsoring there'll be........
     
    #4574     Dec 30, 2009
  5. muller

    muller

    donating to the Cato Institute is definitely a great idea.
    http://www.cato.org/
    I think it's even very important and vital that we support them.
     
    #4575     Dec 30, 2009
  6. This is probably what the fox news article was referring to regarding Obama and the transactions tax:

    "Obama Proposes New Transaction Fees for Financial Firms' Riskiest Investments"

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124831738512274811.html

    "President Barack Obama said for the first time that the government might assess new fees against financial companies engaging in what he labeled "far-out transactions," in order to protect taxpayers from future bailouts."

    "Mr. Obama on Wednesday compared the possible fees to the assessments that more than 8,000 banks pay the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. to guarantee deposits. He didn't describe what sorts of transactions might trigger the fees, though the way he described it suggests the proposal could cover exotic instruments such as credit derivatives that some believe played a key role in escalating the financial crisis. He also indicated that the fees might be levied against transactions the government wants to discourage."

    "So if you guys want to do them, then you got to put something into the kitty to make sure that if you screw up, it's not taxpayer dollars that have to pay for it," Mr. Obama said in response to a question at a press conference. "It's dollars coming out of your profits."

    "Administration officials declined to elaborate on Mr. Obama's remarks regarding the fees. It is unclear if there is a concrete proposal pending, or what the details would be."

    -Guru
     
    #4576     Dec 30, 2009
  7. muller

    muller

    #4577     Dec 30, 2009
  8. #4578     Dec 30, 2009
  9. benwm

    benwm

    You are missing something, although it is subtle...

    Consider Eurodollar futures, for example (similar results for other futures and derivatives)...current bid-ask spread is 0.005. If a 0.02% tax was imposed even the most aggressive market maker would have to incorporate an additional 0.02 in both bid and ask just to cover the cost of the tax.

    At the very least this would widen the spread from 0.005 to at least 0.045. So you could argue it is an 800% tax not a 0.002% tax.

    Derivatives volumes will drop 70-95% if even a 0.002% tax is introduced, which is clearly catastrophic. In Sweden they introduced this tax and tax revenue generated was 5% of what they expected and had sold to taxpayers beforehand...options trading simply disappeared altogether...there are several posts earlier in the thread that discuss this in more detail.

    And as the other posters suggest, 0.02% or even 0.002% would be just the beginning. Rather than realizing that they had made mistake and misled the public by pushing through a transactions tax politicians would likely try and save face and just keep increasing the tax to 'further dampen dangerous speculation'...
     
    #4579     Dec 31, 2009
  10. TraDaToR

    TraDaToR

    Vienna, you are a very good trader. We humans find it hard enough to be profitable in the ES without any tax...
     
    #4580     Dec 31, 2009