1/4% Tax on all stock trades pushed in NY Times today

Discussion in 'Taxes and Accounting' started by seasideheights, Jan 13, 2009.

  1. Sig

    Sig

    The logic was pretty clearly spelled out for you in multiple posts, point by excruciating point.
     
    #11561     Oct 18, 2016
  2. gkishot

    gkishot

    If you want to apply it only to financial markets but not to any other market then your logic is deficient. Financial markets with their strong mathematical foundation and efficiency represent the model of how the free markets of all kinds are operating. I am sure your profit margins are much higher than of a so called "HFT" trader.
     
    #11562     Oct 18, 2016
  3. zdreg

    zdreg

    c'mon read what I wrote. trading is not as important to large financial institutions as in the past.
     
    #11563     Oct 18, 2016
  4. Sig

    Sig

    You clearly didn't read a single thing I wrote! I'm going to be a jackass and quote myself here, so you can see it in front of you again.

     
    #11564     Oct 18, 2016
  5. tommo

    tommo

    The more regulations and taxations the easier it is for the big boys to get an edge.
    Whats that saying.. "in the valley of the blind the one eyed man is king".. something like that.

    If 99% of people have to pay extra taxes or abide by extra regs that 1% that gets around them will have it all. The best way to kill off a market participant with an excessive edge is deregulation and more competition.

    I always use the example of spoofers. I made plenty of money off spoofers spotting them and hitting their B.S orders, they soon stopped. But regulating spoofers out the game improves the lives of virtually no trader i know of, but makes it 100x easier for front running HFT orders to make money as spoofers were taking money off them.

    If HFT's are the bogey men of todays market more regulation and taxes will not stop them.. free market competition will. Their returns are dropping off yearly as that "edge" becomes saturated.

    God what id give for 60 mins with one of these regulators and explain to them how a market works.
     
    #11565     Oct 18, 2016
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  6. Banjo

    Banjo

  7. tommo

    tommo

  8. So now France is increasing their ftt 50% (they wanted more but settled on 50%) and are going to start taxing daytrades. This will be very interesting to watch going forward.

    From the article:

    "NGOs have estimated that the rate increase and the broadening of the tax base will generate an extra €4.5bn per year. In 2015, the tax brought in around €1bn, half of which was allocated to the development assistance budget."

    So they are thinking that by cranking up the rate 50% and starting to tax daytrades will increase the proceeds substantially? I guess they don't anticipate any volume drop off. I guess we'll see.
     
    #11568     Oct 24, 2016
  9. Sig

    Sig

    FTT is a poor policy in general, but it's especially poor policy to tie a tax to some completely and utterly unrelated third program, in this case the French foreign development assistance budget. At least something like tying gas tax to road improvements has some linear relationship between the amount raised and the need for the tax, but these two have nothing to do with one another. I feel sorry for both the NGOs depending on this for their budget and anyone associated with the trading infrastructure in France which is clearly going to see an exodus.
     
    #11569     Oct 24, 2016
  10. This Reuters article has some more color on the French FTT situation:

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-tax-taxation-idUSKCN12L1SN

    There is no guarantee that the amendment will enter into law as it must also be backed in the conservative dominated Senate and in a final reading before the lower house.

    Budget Minister Christian Eckert estimated during the debate that the tax would raise additional tax revenue of 500 million euros ($545 million), but acknowledged that it was unknown how investors might react.
     
    #11570     Oct 24, 2016