1/3 in Mass study have antibodies... is this a b.s. narrative in action

WeToddDid2 · Apr 20, 2020

piezoe said:
First, thank you for a substantive reply to my post instead of the usual ad hominem attacks I get. There is no question that Redfield is technically qualified on paper, he has a back ground in virology and infectious disease. At his recent grilling -- literally -- by Congress, however, he came across as arrogant and frankly, IMO, acted like a horses ass. This is a leadership quality that mimic's Trump's. Trump seems to be attracted to men who appear powerful in their countenance and lead in military style by giving orders; appropriate in war, but not in research institutions where one is working with professional peers. Is Trump's leadership style a result of being shipped off to military school at a tender age? Trump has never succeeded in anything other than as a television realty host, so far as I can tell. I do think he would make a fine actor in John Wayne type roles. But is there any reason for him to be especially proud of his accomplishments as President?; yet, he is a supremely proud man. Why? Even you can not escape the reality that he has a severe, not mild, personality disorder.

One of Trump's remarks that is revealing of his mental state is his stock response to valid criticism. "I'm President, they're not." That's not something to be proud of when 60-70% of your country believes you're making a mess of things. Just getting yourself elected on a pack of lies is no accomplishment.

I heard him say just yesterday, "We're testing more than anyone, more than all the other nations combined." His statements are so outrageous that I don't understand why he wasn't removed from office months ago. Someone like this is incredibly dangerous when they are in charge. Even though, when you get far enough away from the West Wing, you do find competence. But Trumps history of retribution for disagreeing with him has the competent cowed and afraid if they speak up. Trump's actions have a chilling effect on what competence remains lower down in our federal agencies.

These are obviously opinions of mine, and you are entitled to disagree. There is at least 30-40% of the country that disagrees with me. Certainly with regard to my opinion of Redfield you are entitled to disagree. When I was referring to incompetence in the CDC leadership I was specifically referring to leadership and not technical background. Redfield hasn't been directly involved in infectious disease research for years. He is now a director of that work, and that requires another skill altogether. My idea of leadership is that you have to have the kind of personality that makes others want to willingly cooperate and not out of fear of retribution. One who adopts the attitude I saw Redfield display at the hearing is not going to be one who invites dissenting opinion, or willing cooperation. He'll end up with a bunch of disgruntled unhappy people working under him, as I imagine those Trump has fired are feeling.

I appreciate the link to the AP article. I want you to know I am not blind to the exaggerations on the other side, and the occasional plain mis-stating of facts, or worse. These faults are obvious and common among pretty much all politicians. You attach your name , along with 80 other Senators, to an infrastructure bill, and you make it sound like the reason money for infrastructure arrived in your district is because of your personal hard work on behalf of your constituents. But Trumps deceit is of an altogether different category. This remark from the AP article was revealing.

"Trump’s budgets have proposed cuts to public health, only to be overruled by Congress"

Yes, Bloomberg was'nt correct when he said,

"And he’s [Trump] defunded — he’s defunded Centers for Disease Control, CDC, so we don’t have the organization we need."

And Biden was emphatically incorrect when he said, and it is fair to say he was lying if in fact he knew better at the time,

“We increased the budget of the CDC. We increased the NIH budget. ... He’s [Trump] wiped all that out. ...

I maintain that Bloomberg and Biden inaccuracies are bad and they should be careful in their choice of words, but from my point of view, the most important fact here is that "Trump's people tried to cut the CDC budget!" And putting that kind of mentality at the top of the country isn't what I want. Of course there is another 40% , some of whom think government is bad, and the less you have of it the better. I know that!

I do very much appreciate your substantive response.
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You are very welcome with respect to my substantive response. You have encouraged me to post more in the future.

jem · Apr 20, 2020

considering the CDC failed miserably... they probably should have the budget cut and be reorganized.

https://arstechnica.com/science/202...s-were-tainted-with-coronavirus-feds-confirm/

As the new coronavirus took root across America, the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention sent states tainted test kits in early February that were themselves seeded with the virus, federal officials have confirmed.

The contamination made the tests uninterpretable, and—because testing is crucial for containment efforts—it lost the country invaluable time to get ahead of the advancing pandemic.

The CDC had been vague about what went wrong with the tests, initially only saying that “a problem in the manufacturing of one of the reagents” had led to the failure. Subsequent reporting suggested that the problem was with a negative control—that is, a part of the test meant to be free of any trace of the coronavirus as a critical reference for confirming that the test was working properly overall.

Now, according to investigation results reported by The New York Times, federal officials confirm that sloppy laboratory practices at two of three CDC labs involved in the tests’ creation led to contamination of the tests and their uninterpretable results.

more at link.

piezoe said:
First, thank you for a substantive reply to my post instead of the usual ad hominem attacks I get. There is no question that Redfield is technically qualified on paper, he has a back ground in virology and infectious disease. At his recent grilling -- literally -- by Congress, however, he came across as arrogant and frankly, IMO, acted like a horses ass. This is a leadership quality that mimic's Trump's. Trump seems to be attracted to men who appear powerful in their countenance and lead in military style by giving orders; appropriate in war, but not in research institutions where one is working with professional peers. Is Trump's leadership style a result of being shipped off to military school at a tender age? Trump has never succeeded in anything other than as a television realty host, so far as I can tell. I do think he would make a fine actor in John Wayne type roles. But is there any reason for him to be especially proud of his accomplishments as President?; yet, he is a supremely proud man. Why? Even you can not escape the reality that he has a severe, not mild, personality disorder.

One of Trump's remarks that is revealing of his mental state is his stock response to valid criticism. "I'm President, they're not." That's not something to be proud of when 60-70% of your country believes you're making a mess of things. Just getting yourself elected on a pack of lies is no accomplishment.

I heard him say just yesterday, "We're testing more than anyone, more than all the other nations combined." His statements are so outrageous that I don't understand why he wasn't removed from office months ago. Someone like this is incredibly dangerous when they are in charge. Even though, when you get far enough away from the West Wing, you do find competence. But Trumps history of retribution for disagreeing with him has the competent cowed and afraid if they speak up. Trump's actions have a chilling effect on what competence remains lower down in our federal agencies.

These are obviously opinions of mine, and you are entitled to disagree. There is at least 30-40% of the country that disagrees with me. Certainly with regard to my opinion of Redfield you are entitled to disagree. When I was referring to incompetence in the CDC leadership I was specifically referring to leadership and not technical background. Redfield hasn't been directly involved in infectious disease research for years. He is now a director of that work, and that requires another skill altogether. My idea of leadership is that you have to have the kind of personality that makes others want to willingly cooperate and not out of fear of retribution. One who adopts the attitude I saw Redfield display at the hearing is not going to be one who invites dissenting opinion, or willing cooperation. He'll end up with a bunch of disgruntled unhappy people working under him, as I imagine those Trump has fired are feeling.

I appreciate the link to the AP article. I want you to know I am not blind to the exaggerations on the other side, and the occasional plain mis-stating of facts, or worse. These faults are obvious and common among pretty much all politicians. You attach your name , along with 80 other Senators, to an infrastructure bill, and you make it sound like the reason money for infrastructure arrived in your district is because of your personal hard work on behalf of your constituents. But Trumps deceit is of an altogether different category. This remark from the AP article was revealing.

"Trump’s budgets have proposed cuts to public health, only to be overruled by Congress"

Yes, Bloomberg was'nt correct when he said,

"And he’s [Trump] defunded — he’s defunded Centers for Disease Control, CDC, so we don’t have the organization we need."

And Biden was emphatically incorrect when he said, and it is fair to say he was lying if in fact he knew better at the time,

“We increased the budget of the CDC. We increased the NIH budget. ... He’s [Trump] wiped all that out. ...

I maintain that Bloomberg and Biden inaccuracies are bad and they should be careful in their choice of words, but from my point of view, the most important fact here is that "Trump's people tried to cut the CDC budget!" And putting that kind of mentality at the top of the country isn't what I want. Of course there is another 40% , some of whom think government is bad, and the less you have of it the better. I know that!

I do very much appreciate your substantive response.
More...

Cuddles · Apr 20, 2020

jem said:
considering the CDC failed miserably... they probably should have the budget cut and be reorganized.

https://arstechnica.com/science/202...s-were-tainted-with-coronavirus-feds-confirm/

As the new coronavirus took root across America, the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention sent states tainted test kits in early February that were themselves seeded with the virus, federal officials have confirmed.

The contamination made the tests uninterpretable, and—because testing is crucial for containment efforts—it lost the country invaluable time to get ahead of the advancing pandemic.

The CDC had been vague about what went wrong with the tests, initially only saying that “a problem in the manufacturing of one of the reagents” had led to the failure. Subsequent reporting suggested that the problem was with a negative control—that is, a part of the test meant to be free of any trace of the coronavirus as a critical reference for confirming that the test was working properly overall.

Now, according to investigation results reported by The New York Times, federal officials confirm that sloppy laboratory practices at two of three CDC labs involved in the tests’ creation led to contamination of the tests and their uninterpretable results.

more at link.
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by that logic, Trump should be impeached again

Bugenhagen · Apr 20, 2020

If anyone is wondering why wetodd is so uppety lately don't put much thought into it.

I know who he is actually is 90 percent sure, he has run a little dev business (won't tell anyone, he is not a Nazi, just a twit) and he is precisely nobody. Off to have my Philly cheese steak.

UsualName · Apr 20, 2020

USC and LA County study shows ~4.1% in LA county have antibodies for Covid. Or about 225,000 plus people.

That sounds small BUT it’s about 30 times higher than confirmed Covid numbers of about 7,500.

That is an off the charts difference. What that means, I don’t know. Maybe the study is flawed maybe the virus is more widespread but probably a little of both.

https://abc7news.com/health/study-4125-of-la-county-residents-have-coronavirus-antibody/6118034/

TreeFrogTrader · Apr 20, 2020

UsualName said:
USC and LA County study shows ~4.1% in LA county have antibodies for Covid. Or about 225,000 plus people.

That sounds small BUT it’s about 30 times higher than confirmed Covid numbers of about 7,500.

That is an off the charts difference. What that means, I don’t know. Maybe the study is flawed maybe the virus is more widespread but probably a little of both.

https://abc7news.com/health/study-4125-of-la-county-residents-have-coronavirus-antibody/6118034/
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The estimates change every time the "experts" change the flavor of kool-aid they are drinking.

Meanwhile, Trump is beaten every time he does not agree with the "experts" because it does not matter whether they are right or not, only that they are not Trump.

Dr. Love · Apr 20, 2020

UsualName said:
USC and LA County study shows ~4.1% in LA county have antibodies for Covid. Or about 225,000 plus people.

That sounds small BUT it’s about 30 times higher than confirmed Covid numbers of about 7,500.

That is an off the charts difference. What that means, I don’t know. Maybe the study is flawed maybe the virus is more widespread but probably a little of both.

https://abc7news.com/health/study-4125-of-la-county-residents-have-coronavirus-antibody/6118034/
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I understand that study is flawed as participants were people who thought they had symptoms the month prior but couldn't get tested otherwise.

Sampling wasn't random.

Hari Seldon · Apr 20, 2020

I thought 9/11 was high fuckery and the top of the ladder but this scam puts that to shame.

WeToddDid2 · Apr 20, 2020

UsualName said:
USC and LA County study shows ~4.1% in LA county have antibodies for Covid. Or about 225,000 plus people.

That sounds small BUT it’s about 30 times higher than confirmed Covid numbers of about 7,500.

That is an off the charts difference. What that means, I don’t know. Maybe the study is flawed maybe the virus is more widespread but probably a little of both.

https://abc7news.com/health/study-4125-of-la-county-residents-have-coronavirus-antibody/6118034/
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I am curious what a liberal's opinion is on a hypothetical. There have been reinfections. What if once a person has the virus they have it for life similar to mono or herpes and covid-19 is not curable? What should be done with people that have contracted the virus?

WeToddDid2 · Apr 21, 2020

I haven't validated the below numbers.

However, if they are accurate, the numbers demonstrate a complete and total failure by democrats.

If correct, the democrat let states have a fatality rate that is 224% higher.