1/3 in Mass study have antibodies... is this a b.s. narrative in action

Discussion in 'Politics' started by jem, Apr 18, 2020.

  1. wildchild

    wildchild

  2. jem

    jem

    What would testing have done?
    How do you know?
    Under what assumptions would testing have made a difference?
    What if the disease was already here for over a month before the idea of test was uttered.

    The idea that testing and tracing would have made a difference makes assumptions about this virus that in almost every scenario would also have called for something far less drastic than a full shutdown. Testing and tracing when 50 percent or more people who infected don't even have symptoms.
    You would have to test every american almost everyday if there is also high RO.

    Testing and tracing is b.s. lip service to make it appear we are doing something useful unless you accept this virus has a low RO. And if it had a low RO then the shutdown was bullshit. And should have been far more customized to different areas and groups.

    Testing becomes far more useful when we have reliable antibody tests.
     
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    #22     Apr 19, 2020
  3. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    So the bottom line is that pregnant women without the COVID-19 virus go to a hospital full of COVID-19 patients in a hotspot city and then comes out of the hospital with COVID-19 (or has to stay in due to it). This should not surprise anyone.

    Seeing that COVID-19 patients need 7 to 13 days to show symptoms this news should be expected.
     
    #23     Apr 19, 2020
  4. wildchild

    wildchild

    Poor analysis again GWB, You missed the point entirely.

    Seriously, do you trade?
     
    #24     Apr 19, 2020
  5. piezoe

    piezoe

  6. WeToddDid2

    WeToddDid2

    You are an incredibly arrogant parrot. Bad parrot! Only a mindless sheep could regurgitate the propaganda that you do and think that there is any validity to it at all. Anyone with any education level would see right through most of the propaganda that you believe to be true.

    Redfield clearly has no qualifications that would make anyone think that he has any competency at all. I mean this Redfield guy came out of no where and clearly has no experience whatsoever in medicine.

    https://www.cdc.gov/about/leadership/director.htm

    Robert R. Redfield, MD
    Robert R. Redfield, MD, is the 18th Director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and Administrator of the Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry. He has been a public health leader actively engaged in clinical research and clinical care of chronic human viral infections and infectious diseases, especially HIV, for more than 30 years.

    He served as the founding director of the Department of Retroviral Research within the U.S. Military’s HIV Research Program, and retired after 20 years of service in the U.S. Army Medical Corps. Following his military service, he co-founded the University of Maryland’s Institute of Human Virology with Dr. William Blattner and Dr. Robert C. Gallo and served as the Chief of Infectious Diseases and Vice Chair of Medicine at the University of Maryland School of Medicine.

    Dr. Redfield made several important early contributions to the scientific understanding of HIV, including the demonstration of the importance of heterosexual transmission, the development of the Walter Reed staging system for HIV infection, and the demonstration of active HIV replication in all stages of HIV infection.

    In addition to his research work, Dr. Redfield oversaw an extensive clinical program providing HIV care and treatment to more than 5,000 patients in the Baltimore/Washington, D.C. community.

    Dr. Redfield served as a member of the President’s Advisory Council on HIV/AIDS from 2005 to 2009, and was appointed as Chair of the International Subcommittee from 2006 to 2009.

    He is a past member of the Office of AIDS Research Advisory Council at the National Institutes of Health, the Fogarty International Center Advisory Board at the National Institutes of Health, and the Advisory Anti-Infective Agent Committee of the Food and Drug Administration.
     
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    #26     Apr 19, 2020
  7. WeToddDid2

    WeToddDid2

    @piezoe You should read the below article. You will at least be somewhat informed and be able to better discern what is left-wing propaganda and what isn't. However, I don't expect you to stop regurgitating the left-wing propaganda. Good little sheep are good little sheep for a reason.

    https://apnews.com/d36d6c4de29f4d04beda3db00cb46104

    AP FACT CHECK: Democrats distort coronavirus readiness
     
    #27     Apr 19, 2020
  8. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Next you will claim pregnancy causes positive COVID-19 results.
     
    #28     Apr 19, 2020
  9. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    No, but I head somewhere that a woman who died in childbirth had a CoD of Coronavirus because of testing positive!
     
    #29     Apr 20, 2020
  10. piezoe

    piezoe

    First, thank you for a substantive reply to my post instead of the usual ad hominem attacks I get. There is no question that Redfield is technically qualified on paper, he has a back ground in virology and infectious disease. At his recent grilling -- literally -- by Congress, however, he came across as arrogant and frankly, IMO, acted like a horses ass. This is a leadership quality that mimic's Trump's. Trump seems to be attracted to men who appear powerful in their countenance and lead in military style by giving orders; appropriate in war, but not in research institutions where one is working with professional peers. Is Trump's leadership style a result of being shipped off to military school at a tender age? Trump has never succeeded in anything other than as a television realty host, so far as I can tell. I do think he would make a fine actor in John Wayne type roles. But is there any reason for him to be especially proud of his accomplishments as President?; yet, he is a supremely proud man. Why? Even you can not escape the reality that he has a severe, not mild, personality disorder.

    One of Trump's remarks that is revealing of his mental state is his stock response to valid criticism. "I'm President, they're not." That's not something to be proud of when 60-70% of your country believes you're making a mess of things. Just getting yourself elected on a pack of lies is no accomplishment.

    I heard him say just yesterday, "We're testing more than anyone, more than all the other nations combined." His statements are so outrageous that I don't understand why he wasn't removed from office months ago. Someone like this is incredibly dangerous when they are in charge. Even though, when you get far enough away from the West Wing, you do find competence. But Trumps history of retribution for disagreeing with him has the competent cowed and afraid if they speak up. Trump's actions have a chilling effect on what competence remains lower down in our federal agencies.

    These are obviously opinions of mine, and you are entitled to disagree. There is at least 30-40% of the country that disagrees with me. Certainly with regard to my opinion of Redfield you are entitled to disagree. When I was referring to incompetence in the CDC leadership I was specifically referring to leadership and not technical background. Redfield hasn't been directly involved in infectious disease research for years. He is now a director of that work, and that requires another skill altogether. My idea of leadership is that you have to have the kind of personality that makes others want to willingly cooperate and not out of fear of retribution. One who adopts the attitude I saw Redfield display at the hearing is not going to be one who invites dissenting opinion, or willing cooperation. He'll end up with a bunch of disgruntled unhappy people working under him, as I imagine those Trump has fired are feeling.

    I appreciate the link to the AP article. I want you to know I am not blind to the exaggerations on the other side, and the occasional plain mis-stating of facts, or worse. These faults are obvious and common among pretty much all politicians. You attach your name , along with 80 other Senators, to an infrastructure bill, and you make it sound like the reason money for infrastructure arrived in your district is because of your personal hard work on behalf of your constituents. But Trumps deceit is of an altogether different category. This remark from the AP article was revealing.

    "Trump’s budgets have proposed cuts to public health, only to be overruled by Congress"

    Yes, Bloomberg was'nt correct when he said,

    "And he’s [Trump] defunded — he’s defunded Centers for Disease Control, CDC, so we don’t have the organization we need."

    And Biden was emphatically incorrect when he said, and it is fair to say he was lying if in fact he knew better at the time,

    “We increased the budget of the CDC. We increased the NIH budget. ... He’s [Trump] wiped all that out. ...

    I maintain that Bloomberg and Biden inaccuracies are bad and they should be careful in their choice of words, but from my point of view, the most important fact here is that "Trump's people tried to cut the CDC budget!" And putting that kind of mentality at the top of the country isn't what I want. Of course there is another 40% , some of whom think government is bad, and the less you have of it the better. I know that!

    I do very much appreciate your substantive response.
     
    #30     Apr 20, 2020