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Discussion in 'Options' started by hiprotrading, May 16, 2025 at 4:08 AM.

  1. Hello,

    I’m trying to wrap my head around how to profit from a specific situation on daily SPX (0DTE) options. When the NY session starts and a certain condition is met, I usually need to bet that price won’t close outside the specific price. For example, if the underlying price is 5000, I want to bet that it won’t breach and close below 4950 on that day. What would be the most efficient way to do that having in mind that I need to have my losses limited in a case trade going against me below 4950 and stay in profit if price closes above 4950, and also have at least 1:1.5 win/loss ratio?

    I have spent months trying to figure it out, but no luck. If anyone comes with working solution I will be more than happy to reward it.

    Is there any efficient way to trade this?
     
  2. 2rosy

    2rosy

    binary
    event contract
    tight vertical spread
     
  3. None of these.
     
  4. cesfx

    cesfx

    1% otm "bull put spread" 0dte right now, has a reward/risk of 1:10, but you should know this if you spent months trying to figure things out.
     
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  5. Yes, 1% is extreme. It's just for reference, in reality it fluctuate 0.30% - 1%, I'm just looking for a most efficient solution, closest thing to my described situation.
     
  6. demoncore

    demoncore


    Price the 4950/5000 bull spread. This is a test where you win for answering 2 + 2 + __ ? 0DTE is all gamma (over vega) but the shit is still dynamic. Nobody can answer that Q w/o looking at price, macro and vol-line.
     
  7. I'm not asking about specific price range that is right now, it's wider question. Spreads wont work here, price is too far from the breakeven point when I need to open a trade and offers bad RR.
     
  8. demoncore

    demoncore


    rn the 5865/5915 (ATM) ps short is 11-12. So you're risking 4/1. No way you're going to achieve 3/2 risk on index on 0DTE. As you go narrow (digital replication) the risks get worse. Take it to 1-2DTE.
     
  9. demoncore

    demoncore

    You'd need to do an asym fly or perhaps (that) with a risk reversal in M2 (structured as a fly as well).
     
  10. cesfx

    cesfx

    If you cap it on both sides (iron condor), let's say +o- 0.5%, you'd improve the risk/reward... But on 0dte your risk would still be X2 your reward today.
    And that is only on 25 point move.
    1% is not extreme.

    I don't think you'll find an easy edge on 0dte.

    And if you handpick the days, you'll probably select "quiet" days, no major news etc... And that won't help.