White flight and property prices

Discussion in 'Economics' started by yabz, Oct 21, 2024.

  1. yabz

    yabz

    What is the effect on white flight on property prices? You guys in the US probably know more about this than us Brits.

    London property prices are soaring but the white British population is leaving London. White Brits make up 36% at the moment and is reducing by 2.4% a year.

    I own a flat in London and can't complain but am wondering what the long term future holds.
     
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  2. MarkBrown

    MarkBrown

    you're taxes will explode and the value of your flat will slowly creep up in price most likely.

    but here is the sign of death for your property, is when those neighbors around you flee and instead of selling their properties - they start renting them out. that's when you know you are doomed and your property value is too. the surrounding properties will not be kept up and absentee owners just want the monthly income. when you see more than one family living in a one family dwelling - it's time to set flight. cause it's not going to get any better ever.
     
  3. yabz

    yabz

    Interesting. That is exactly what is happening. I rent out my flat and the other flats in my building are mostly rented out. However the flats are not rented out to families but to professionals.

    Also taxes in the UK are the highest since WW2 and likely to go higher.
     
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  4. ipatent

    ipatent

    In the US, white flight usually causes property values to go down, dramatically in places like St. Louis, Baltimore and Detroit.
     
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  5. Sergio123

    Sergio123

    Like any other market you can only predict by which direction the current trend is heading.

    Not looking good in European G7 countries.

    Hopefully the United States doesn't degenerate to that point. But maybe it already has.

    But if I were you, I wouldn't hold my breath. Its probably going to be awhile before a crackdown on crime, and the cities feel safe enough to switch to a gentrification cycle.

    Probably need to wait for the right technology.
     
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  6. nitrene

    nitrene

    Here in California White Flight happens every 15-20 years mainly based on undesirables moving in to a neighborhood. My roommate in college was born in & went to school in Van Nuys (not far from San Fernando Valley). In the 1960s & 1970s it was a upper middle class mainly Jewish enclave, however if you go there today it is basically a lower middle class latino ghetto.

    Where did they go? Mainly to Valencia & Santa Clarita which is about 30 miles north on I-5 and is basically the new upper middle class destination. Some went to Orange County & Placer County near Lake Tahoe.
     
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  7. ktm

    ktm

    Here in the US we've handed over lots of cities to Democrats. Just the last few weeks we've heard how wonderful Detroit is doing, despite the pictures and first hand accounts of rampant squalor, high taxes, no city services, crime and lack of economic opportunity. We're told it's great and everything is fine.
     
  8. Specterx

    Specterx

    “White flight” in the US context refers to whites who fled urban cores in the 1960s-70s, mostly to escape from skyrocketing levels of street crime and savagery perpetrated by underclass blacks (who had migrated north in huge numbers during the 50s-60s) but also to some degree from rust-belt industrial decline.

    What you are talking about is more like what’s been happening in California over the past decade: middle class whites have been fleeing ultra-expensive CA for less expensive states, replaced by a “barbell” combo of highly-educated elite immigrants (typically East Asian or Indian) who work in Silicon Valley and much poorer, often illegal ones who cope with sky-high prices by eg living eight to a room.

    As CA has some of the most expensive real estate in the country relative to income, it seems that the latter process is, at a minimum, not bearish for property values. Your new leftist government is likely to keep the UK’s border jammed wide open, which is the most important factor keeping prices skipping higher.
     
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  9. “This used to be a nice neighborhood until all those damn white people moved in”

    - Said No One Ever
     
  10. Sergio123

    Sergio123

    Someone has said:
    'White man came across the sea
    He brought us pain and misery
    He killed our tribes, he killed our creed
    He took our game for his own need.'
     
    #10     Oct 22, 2024