What exactly is a "Constitutional Crisis"?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by vanzandt, Sep 24, 2018.

  1. vanzandt

    vanzandt

    The phrase is being bandied about quite a bit.
    Is there an exact definition?

    Edit: OK wiki is my friend as usual. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_crisis#United_States

    The Stamp Act 1765, by which the British Parliament sought to tax the Thirteen Colonies, set off protests from colonial politicians against taxation without representation. Parliament continued to assert its authority in subsequent acts, throwing colonial governments into chaos and eventually leading the colonists to declare total independence from Britain.[13]
    The Nullification Crisis of 1832, in which South Carolina declared that it would not permit collection of a federal tariff. The United States Congress eventually passed a law to authorize the President to use military force in South Carolina to enforce federal laws, as well as a revised tariff law with lower rates.[14]
    In 1841 the death of President William Henry Harrison resulted in Vice-President John Tyler becoming President, the first vice-president to succeed to the presidency. He assumed full presidential powers, although there was doubt whether the actual office of President "devolved" upon the Vice President or merely its powers and duties. The "Tyler Precedent" governed future successions and eventually became codified in the Twenty-fifth Amendment. Some opposition Whig members of Congress, including John Quincy Adams and Henry Clay, held that Tyler should be a caretaker under the title of "Acting President". He was referred to as "His Accidency".[15] However, both houses of Congress adopted a resolution confirming that Tyler was the tenth President of the United States without any qualification. Unsuccessful amendments had been proposed in both houses to strike out the word "President" in favor of language including the term "Vice President" for such cases. Tyler had correspondence from his political opponents to the White House addressed to the "Vice President" or "Acting President" returned unopened.[16]
    The secession of seven Southern states in 1861, which the federal government did not recognize, leading to the American Civil War.
    1876 presidential election: Republicans and Democrats disputed voting results in three states. An ad hoc Electoral Commission, created by Congress, voted along party lines in favor of Republican candidate Rutherford B. Hayes, who damped Southern fury by withdrawing federal troops from the South, ending Reconstruction.
    In the Watergate scandal (1972–74), President Richard Nixon and his staff obstructed investigations into their political activities. Nixon resigned, under threat of impeachment, after the release of an audio tape showing that he had personally approved the obstruction. Congressional moves to restrain presidential authority continued for years afterward.[17][18] The dismissal of independent special prosecutor Archibald Cox, and the resignations of Attorney General Elliot Richardson and Deputy Attorney General William Ruckelshaus on October 20, 1973, led to the Independent Counsel Act for a more impartial way of investigating high-level public integrity cases in the executive branch without interference from the President or other executive branch leaders. Prior to the Independent Counsel Act a Special Prosecutor was still under the authority of the President and any investigations into the executive branch could be stopped by the President by simply firing the Special Prosecutor.
     
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  2. exGOPer

    exGOPer

    No need for wiki, we are gonna live through it soon.

    Congrats on electing this reality TV moron, great way to create some history.
     
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  3. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    Vanz, you're in it now
     
  4. vanzandt

    vanzandt

    Wow. I don't feel any different.
    The ATM's still work, power is on, grocery stores are stocked and open, California and Texas are still in the Union.... I guess its no big deal.
    #MAGA!
     
  5. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    The sky didn't fall during Nixon's impeachment either.
     
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  6. vanzandt

    vanzandt

    The integrity of our voting systems in the midterm elections are what scares me. That can easily turn into a very real constitutional crisis.
    If its found there was meddling by foreign actors, or even the allegation of hacking by foreign actors.... the losing party is going to scream the results of close races are invalid and the next session of Congress may not be seated due to courtroom battles. Then what? Good luck getting people out to vote a second or third time.... and thats after however long it takes to fix the system (which could easily take months at best). Am I the only one that see's this perhaps coming?

    Trump is dropping the ball on this one. His ass kissing and pussy-footing around with Russia, NK, and China about other issues is BS. I have said it here before... he should have already declared that any cyber interference in our elections is an act of war. Period. We're in the 21st century here. Cyber IS a battleground. Its no different than Pearl Harbor now.

    Trump is NOT being tough enough on this by a mile. He needs to instruct Congress to draft legislation accordingly. This matters HUGE. F*ck N Korea, China, Iran or Russia.... mess with our elections, our ATC, the grid, or any other infrastructure.... and its f'n war.

    No one has brought this up.... but why haven't they determined the cause of that gas-line over pressurization in Boston that caused all those explosions? One fatality and over 80 structures destroyed and yet no explanation to date from Columbia Gas or NiSource as to why the pressure increased twelve-fold out of the blue. No one else thinks thats odd? The control room is 750 miles away in Columbus, OH. I would have to say cyber is certainly possible, but who knows... maybe just a glitch. You'd think they would have figured that out by now though.
     
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  7. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    I've been ringing the bell for more than a year now. If Putin wants maximum damage, he just has to blatantly and transparently help the democrats to wake up the Trump base. The Repubs. will be more than happy to invalidate any dem. wins if there's evidence of Russian meddling. He can then sit from the highest room in the Kremlin and watch America devolve into chaos.

    At some point Vanz, you just gotta look at Occam's razor and realize Trump may actually be compromised.