What are the views here on this "rogue" whistleblower Chinese virologist?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by TreeFrogTrader, Sep 16, 2020.

  1. She is somewhat of a fascinating creature given the fact that- regardlesss of whether you believe her assertions or not- she definitely has the credentials and worked in the epicenter of Chinese covid research. Her assertions are straight forward though: The virus was created in the lab at Wuhan.

    I was satisfied to just let her and her story drift out there without giving it much attention, but now the fact that Fakebook and Twitter have banned her makes me believe she might be on to an inconvenient truth.

    What sayeth thee?

    couple links here. she appeared on Tucker last night so at least she is a stand up guy and did not equivocate on anything. The Chinese most likely will disappear her soon.

    https://news.yahoo.com/coronavirus-latest-started-laboratory-artificial-study-082116106.html

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political...er-carlsons-interview-rogue-chinese-scientist
     
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  2. smallfil

    smallfil

    The fact that social media websites are censoring her should tell you she is very credible. I hope she is not in China or any of their territories because her life could be in danger.
     
  3. Yep. From what I have seen I think she was based in Hong Kong but was also going to Wuhan to collaborate. Then she fled as her buddy physician/researcher who spoke out was disappeared by the commies, and as things got rocky in Hong Kong.

    Apparently she is in the U.S. now cooperating with the feds. But she is not safe here either. China has enough ccp operatives on the ground here to take care of any bidness that may arise.
     
  4. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Steve Bannon Is Behind Bogus Study That China Created COVID
    https://news.yahoo.com/steve-bannon-linked-groups-push-191602344.html

    A new study purporting to show that the novel coronavirus was manufactured in a Chinese lab was published by a pair of nonprofit groups linked to Steve Bannon, the former top Trump strategist now facing felony fraud charges.

    The study, co-authored by a Chinese virologist who fled Hong Kong this year, claims that “laboratory manipulation is part of the history of SARS-CoV-2.” Its findings were quickly picked up by a handful of prominent news organizations such as the New York Post, which hyped the “explosive” allegations that run counter to virtually all existing scientific literature on the source of the virus.

    The study is the work of the Rule of Law Society and the Rule of Law Foundation, sister nonprofit organizations that Bannon was instrumental in creating. According to documents posted on the Society’s website last year, he served as that group’s chair. The Bannon connection was first spotted by Kevin Bird, a Ph.D. candidate at Michigan State University, and shared by Carl Bergstrom, a biology professor at the University of Washington, who called the study “bizarre and unfounded.”

    A search of Google Scholar and the Rule of Law Society and Rule of Law Foundation websites indicates that the organizations have not previously published scientific or medical research, and it’s unclear whether the paper received any peer review. It was posted on Monday on the website Zenodo, a publicly available repository of scientific and academic research to which anyone can upload their work.

    Both of the nonprofits behind the study were formed in conjunction with exiled Chinese billionaire Guo Wengui, with whom Bannon has collaborated on a number of advocacy efforts targeting the Chinese government and business endeavors that have drawn the scrutiny of federal law enforcement officials.

    In addition to their work on the Rule of Law nonprofits, Bannon and Guo have also collaborated on a news website, G News, that has published stories suggesting that the coronavirus was manufactured by the Chinese military.

    In July, Bannon appeared to tease forthcoming scientific studies supporting his contention that the coronavirus originated in a lab in Wuhan, China. He told the Daily Mail that scientists from the lab had “defected” to the U.S. and were collaborating with American intelligence agencies. On the “War Room: Pandemic” podcast, Bannon has hosted others who have speculated that the virus may have been a Chinese “bioweapon,” but he has said that he believes the most plausible explanation is that it “came out of experiments that were going on” at that Wuhan lab.

    That’s a line that has been echoed by some prominent U.S. officials. President Donald Trump and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo have both alluded to intelligence reports supporting that theory. “This evidence is circumstantial, to be sure,” wrote Sen. Tom Cotton (R-AR) in an April column for the Wall Street Journal, “but it all points toward the Wuhan labs.”

    While an accidental leak from the virology lab in Wuhan remains a theoretical possible source of the initial outbreak in the city, the vast majority of the scientific literature on the virus has determined that its origins were natural, and that it was not laboratory manufactured. Dr. Anthony Fauci, the Trump administration’s coronavirus point-person, has stressed repeatedly that all evidence indicates the virus was not man-made.

    The study published by Bannon’s group on Monday is therefore particularly incendiary. “This virus is not from nature,” declared Dr. Li-Meng Yan, one of the scientists who conducted the study, during a Monday appearance on a British talk show. She called reports that the virus originated in a Wuhan meat market “a smoke screen” designed to obscure its true origins.

    But other virologists disagree and say the paper makes false claims about a number of basic facts. “Basically, it's all circumstantial and some of it is entirely fictional,” Dr. Angela Rasmussen, a virologist at Columbia University, told The Daily Beast of the study.

    The paper leads with a claim that the coronavirus' genes are "suspiciously similar to that of a bat coronavirus discovered by military laboratories" in China—an assertion Rasmussen says shouldn’t be surprising because “they are related SARS-like coronaviruses.”

    The study’s authors made a similar claim about a portion of the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein—which viruses use to breach and infect cells—and wrote that it’s similar to the original SARS virus in a “suspicious manner” and suggests genetic manipulation. “SARS-CoV also used ACE2 as a cellular receptor, as do other SARS-like bat coronaviruses,” Rasmussen says. “It is not suspicious and is in fact expected that the receptor binding domains that bind the same protein would be similar.”

    Rasmussen also said that the paper misrepresented basic facts about another part of coronavirus spike proteins known as furin cleavage sites. The authors claim that SARS-CoV-2’s cleavage site is “unique” and unseen elsewhere in nature. But according to Rasmussen, “Furin cleavage sites occur naturally in many other beta-CoVs, including MERS-CoV and other SARS-like bat coronaviruses.”

    Yan has said that she fled China to avoid reprisals from the government there over her allegations that it was not being forthcoming about the origin and nature of the virus. She said she warned officials in December that the virus was highly transmissible between humans but that her allegations were ignored.

    The University of Hong Kong’s school of public health, where Yan was employed, has disputed her allegations that the university failed to heed her warnings prior to the outbreak in China.

    In August, Yan appeared on Bannon’s podcast. During that show, Bannon said that he was “still not in the camp that believes they purposely let it out but I’ve been strongly in the camp from the beginning that it came out of the Wuhan P4 lab.”

    Unrelated to his work with the Rule of Law groups, Bannon is also facing felony charges over what federal prosecutors say was an effort to extract millions of dollars from a nonprofit seeking to privately finance the construction of a wall on the southern U.S. border. Bannon has pleaded not guilty to the charges.

    Following publication of this piece, Yan appeared on Fox News host Tucker Carlson's primetime program on Tuesday night. After Yan reiterated her claims that the virus was developed in a lab and that the Chinese government released it intentionally, Carlson—who has become one of Fox's loudest coronavirus skeptics—offered up a big caveat at the end of the interview.

    “Unfortunately this is not the forum for the details of your research,” he said. "I don’t have the grounding to ask you the right questions but this is where you wish for a functioning media because what you just said completely changes everything we think we know about the pandemic that is wrecking our country.”

    Bannon's name, meanwhile, did not come up once in the segment.

    On Thursday, Facebook included a warning on top of a video from the segment posted to Carlson's Facebook page. The video, according to the warning, "repeats information about COVID-19 that independent fact-checkers say is false."

    In a separate post, Carlson hit back at the social media company. "This is censorship, and we will be addressing it on our show tonight," he wrote.
     

  5. Yes, I am aware that Bannon's name has entered the scenario for the purpose of helping to dismiss her claims.

    And I expect some of the usual suspects to use her claims to advance their own positions.

    But when I became aware of the Bannon involvment, I was still not able to understand how the hell Bannon's shenanigans superceded or explained her statements which arise out of her direct involvement in the Hong Kong and Wuhan labs. I dont think that is being disputed even if her assertions are.

    I don't know. I have not been able to dismiss her freestanding/non-Bannon affiliated assertions and position. It is one of those areas where I could wonder and then use the fruits of a free press to bring more information but shutting her out of fakebook and twitter and having all the lefty media jump to dismiss her does not help. I could get there, but can't start out there as they are.
     
  6. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Actually most of her claims have been dismissed by well-respected virologists in the U.S. who have stated her claims are for the most part circumstantial and fictional.

    Bannon's involvement only serves to underline that she's peddling nonsense.
     
  7. The reason her claims make any traction at all is because so many things surrounding this virus make absolutely no sense at all.
    It terribly infectious, unless you're attending a riot or protest.
    It's so debilitating when you have it the risk of dying is abnormally high, unless you're one of the 70% who have no symptoms at all.
    Masks are the best protection we have for general day to day activities, and wearing some gloves may help too. Where are these masks and gloves disposed? The regular trash, parking lots, pretty much wherever.
    One after another of the experts predicting calamity have been wrong, REALLY WRONG with their predictions.
    It's been highly politicized from day one, with people twisting themselves up like pretzels claiming it's not been used as a political weapon.
    So yeah, conspiracy theories abound. Gee, can't imagine why.
     
  8. Alright I can follow it.

    I have not seen those dismissals at any level of detail but maybe that is on me to read more.

    Lord knows I am not going to see it in the mainstream media and it is a not an allowable topic for discussion in social media. And "well respected virologists" won't even agree to any suggestions that the virus came from China so that is a shaky start for me in regard to some of them.

    She is working some angle that I don't follow yet. Perhaps cooperating with the feds and trying to get a visa out of it or something.

    As I said twice. I don't know.
     
  9. Ayn Rand

    Ayn Rand

    Will not go into technical details but -

    1. Virus originated in Wuhan
    2. Originally thought to be carried by a bat that was eaten in wet market.
    3. Virus the bat carries does not code for spike protein that is essential for Covid to work
    4. In desperation the scientific community offered a type of anteater - pangolin - as a possible carrier. Has a similar spike protein but the rest of the virus sequence is way off.

    5. The missing link if animal - should be a mammal that resides in the Wuhan area and comes in close contact with humans. Have not been able to find anything even close.

    6. Perhaps current virus not found in Nature.

    7. Alternative - manufactured in lab.
    8. The RNA coding sequences of the virus are said to be too scattered to have been inserted by humans in a lab. This is the only argument for why it did not come from a lab. Weak.

    9. Perhaps scattered sequence done on purpose. Made to look like it was natural.

    10. Perhaps experiments were conducted to accelerate the development of the bat (RNA sequence very close to Covid but no spike protein) virus, via a type of eugenics a natural form of the virus emerged in the lab. Certain mating pairs where selected based on their genomes. It would be "natural" but monitored and highly influenced.

    Conclusion

    Either found in Nature or made in lab.

    Nothing has been found in Nature. Specimen would easily be worth millions.

    Other alternative is Lab.

    Occam's Razor says Lab.

    While virus probably did come from vir lab in Wuhan, the who and why are very speculative.

    Could be the work of just one or a few individuals.
     
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  10. smallfil

    smallfil

    You do not have to be a genius that this virus originated in Wuhan. The Chinese have a biological laboratory there. How hard is it to think this was a form of biological weapon that the Chinese were experimenting on in the Wuhan laboratory? What I am not sure of is if it was deliberately released by the Communist Chinese or accidentally, released by Chinese scientists? I think it was deliberate. Why? How far is Europe and the US from China? Again, it is not beyond the stretch of one's mind that Chinese spies could have released the Corona Virus while, travelling thru various countries. Take note the US, Russia and other countries developed research on biological weapons and they even signed an agreement. Where do you think sarin, mustard gas, etc. came from? Not a surprise that China would have a vaccine earliest if they knew how the Corona Virus was created? All of it points to China and all the hacks saying the opposite can debunk the circumstances and say all of it was mere coincidence? Add to that, the fact that the Communist Chinese refused President Donald Trump's offer to send top officials of the US CDC to help China with the investigation on the cause of the Corona Virus? China, refused. Why? What are they hiding?
     
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    #10     Sep 16, 2020
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