What are the drivers of oil price?

Discussion in 'Commodity Futures' started by trade4succes, Jul 25, 2013.

  1. I understand the drivers of bonds, stocks, even currencies (mostly macro-economic indicators) and gold (sentiment at the moment and as bottom the more or less the cost of mining it).

    What about oil? What do you look at for drivers of the price. Is geo-political risk expectation (middle-east, venezuela) more important as wars there maycut supply, or are you looking at the economy for demand. Or are is it more important the investments the oil majors are planning to make or not to make. At the moment I am just too unsure to even try to make a bet.

    Anyone knows how to look at it? Gold and stocks, technical analysis would mostly suffice as I have an idea what's is going on, but oil?
     
  2. niko

    niko

  3. Thanks! Looks like a quality book.
     
  4. NoDoji

    NoDoji

    I believe there are so many speculators involved (big ones, like hedge funds, JPM, Goldman, etc) that a lot of what happens is more technical than fundamental. News events trigger overshoots of price because the algos of the big players force momentum and actual supply/demand seems to mean little from the "why oil prices did that" after-the-fact analyses.

    I strictly trade it intraday using price action and totally ignoring any news.

    If I was looking to swing trade it, I'd likely buy following a dip to a very major trend line or previous support level, or sell following a distant channel overshoot (on a daily or even weekly chart). Everything in between seems really sloppy, IMHO.
     
  5. Lucrum

    Lucrum

    + 1
     
  6. niko

    niko

    Me as well, but just out of curiosity is good to know what happens with the whole geopolitical soap opera.
     
  7. ammo

    ammo

    dont know where i read it but there are supposedly 6 larger players manipulating it
     
  8. It seems I remember once reading something you wrote about the analogy of the spider and how basically crude was on crack or something haha, compared to ES being more "predicatable". I agreed with that. To me crude seems pretty unpredictable, maybe I should say manipulated by the politics of oil.. That's just my experience. But I've never spent a lot of time studying it.
     
  9. vicirek

    vicirek

    Two important factors that might indicate who is interested in high oil price:

    it is consumer tax supporting budget

    it is mechanism to transfer capital abroad

    Now thy are trying to figure out how to decouple price of gasoline from the price of oil because there is plenty of it. High oil price might support foreign countries that are not friends with the US but domestic tax inflows are important too.
     
  10. NoDoji

    NoDoji

    It seriously behaves as if that's true :D :D :D
     
    #10     Jul 25, 2013