War! What Is It Good For? A Lot

Discussion in 'Politics' started by dbphoenix, Aug 13, 2014.

  1. dbphoenix

    dbphoenix

    [Given the discussion on the Iraq War, those of you who are interested in war and in history will likely find the following thought-provoking. It's not long, being a book review.]

    Ronald Reagan once joked that these are the 10 most terrifying words in the English language: “Hi, I’m from the government, and I’m here to help.” Ian Morris, a professor of history and classics at Stanford, would modify Reagan’s remark. “In reality, the 10 scariest words are ‘There is no government, and I’m here to kill you.’”

    Does government enhance or diminish the safety of the governed? Answers depend on your view of human nature. Rousseau maintained that humans are peaceful in their natural state; wars result from the corrupting influences of civilization. Thomas Hobbes was less optimistic. Before the restraining effects of governments, he argued, we lived in “continual fear and danger of violent death.” The intellectual descendants of Hobbes and Rousseau tend to regard government as either a cure for or a cause of violence.

    Morris thinks this question is an empirical one, and his new book proposes an answer that he finds astonishing. InWar! What Is It Good For? Conflict and the Progress of Civilization from Primates to Robots, Morris advances the claim that war has made humanity safer and richer over the last 10,000 years. Governments played an essential role in this process: “War made governments, and governments made peace.”

    This was not quite how things appeared to the Caledonian chieftain Calgacus before he fought the invading Roman army in AD 83. “They call stealing, killing, and rape by the lying name government! They make a wasteland and call it peace!” He was articulating an objection to Morris’ thesis with dozens of parallels from different periods: From the standpoint of the conquered, war hardly seems to promote peace.

    But the Roman orator Cicero felt that Calgacus and the peoples vanquished by Rome were missing a broader point. Without the protection and authority of a strong ruling government, provinces would endure endless local and civil wars and remain vulnerable to raiders and invasions. Taxes were a small price to pay for the peace and prosperity Rome provided. more . . .
     
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  2. Max E.

    Max E.

    Another ridiculous left wing article on your part. Now you are trying to justify big government by saying "we need government to be safe" Except that no one is arguing we get rid of all of our police and all of our military. Why dont you tell me how dozens of "administrators" in the school system making six figure salaries for doing nothing are keeping me safe. This article is bullshit, and liberals always try to pull this stunt, supposedly our gigantic bloated beaurecracy is needed to keep us safe, lol, what a joke.

    Its like the "dirty air, dirty water" switcheroo you guys try to pull, in order to support orwellian government, where you claim any cuts to regulations means we will be drinking from the sewer, and breathing in arsenic.

    If things continue for much longer, there's a real risk that we may have to lay off Jose.

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  3. dbphoenix

    dbphoenix

    That's what you got out of this book review? Interesting.
     
  4. Max E.

    Max E.


    Was i supposed to get something else out of this left wing drivel?

    But the Roman orator Cicero felt that Calgacus and the peoples vanquished by Rome were missing a broader point. Without the protection and authority of a strong ruling government, provinces would endure endless local and civil wars and remain vulnerable to raiders and invasions. Taxes were a small price to pay for the peace and prosperity Rome provided
     
  5. dbphoenix

    dbphoenix

    You may have got something out of what followed. But maybe not.
     
  6. Max E.

    Max E.


    Why dont you fill me in on the deep thinking of this article if it wasnt just a justification of big government to supposedly keep people safe. Please feel free to tell me the deeper meaning, im not capable of keeping up with these monster brains on the left.
     
  7. Lucrum

    Lucrum

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  8. behind every crisis (war or even financial crisis) there is an opportunity for a small group of people who made that .look at 9/11 or Iraq and Afghanistan war.GoldmanSachs bought gold prior to 9/11 and after that gold rallied .also they sold U.S stock index which was profitable for them too .also house price crisis which G.S had a important role in that...
    Halliburton took advantage of Iraq and Afghanistan war because it serves both as a oil company and also a U.S army logistic provider .Dick Cheney (head of Halliburton ) was also Bush vice president ...
    the recent decade showed they were lying about Iraq Mass Destruction Weapons /freedom / human rigths and it was only for money.
     
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  9. Lucrum

    Lucrum

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    #10     Aug 15, 2014