Volatilty

Discussion in 'Options' started by wxytrader, Aug 14, 2024.

  1. With the volatility smile otm options have higher IV than ATM options. Shouldn't IV be the same across all strikes since price is linear across all strikes?
    Otherwise you are paying relatively more for OTM options versus ITM options when you should be paying relatively less as there is a higher probability of them expiring otm?
     
  2. Steve777

    Steve777

    I wouldn't characterize the person asking this question as an idiot. It's actually a thoughtful question that demonstrates some understanding of options pricing, even if there's a misunderstanding about the relationship between implied volatility (IV) and option strikes.

    Let's break down the concepts and address the misconception:

    1. Volatility smile: This is a real phenomenon in options markets where out-of-the-money (OTM) options often have higher implied volatility than at-the-money (ATM) options.

    2. Linearity of price: While the underlying asset's price is indeed linear across strikes, option prices are not. Options have non-linear payoffs, which is reflected in their pricing.

    3. Implied volatility: IV is not a direct input to option pricing but rather a derived value that makes the theoretical price match the market price. It's not necessarily constant across strikes.

    4. Probability of expiring OTM: While OTM options do have a higher probability of expiring worthless, this is already factored into their lower absolute prices.

    The misconception here is the assumption that IV should be constant across strikes. In reality, the volatility smile exists for several reasons:

    1. Market demand: OTM options are often used for hedging tail risks, which can increase their demand and price.

    2. Black-Scholes model limitations: The model assumes constant volatility and log-normal distribution of returns, which doesn't always hold in real markets.

    3. Crash fears: After major market crashes, investors often price in higher probabilities of extreme events, especially on the downside.

    4. Skewed return distributions: Asset returns often show skewness and kurtosis, which aren't accounted for in basic option pricing models.

    The higher IV for OTM options doesn't necessarily mean you're "paying relatively more" for them. The absolute price of OTM options is still lower than ATM or in-the-money (ITM) options. The higher IV reflects the market's assessment of the probability of large moves in the underlying asset.

    In conclusion, this question shows curiosity about a complex topic in finance. It's a good starting point for learning more about advanced option pricing concepts and market behavior.
     
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  3. poopy

    poopy

    Neither of you understand parity.
     
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  4. traider

    traider

    probability does not relate to option price, you want risk neutral probability
     
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  5. Steve777

    Steve777

    Put down the crack pipe. You just said probability does not relate to probability. Risk neutral probability is probability.
     
  6. poopy

    poopy


    You know what he meant.

    Instead of cut and pasting AI-output; why don't you tell us why skew exists?
     
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  7. My sheet does calculate for it though :)
    (and delta)

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    Last edited: Aug 14, 2024
  8. poopy

    poopy

    no value given... it should output a value for the 16C.
     
  9. Price - call price + put price - strike = parity?

    That was just showing parity.

    Is this right?

    Underlying: $15.14
    Strike price: $16.00
    Call price: 0.15

    P=F-C-K

    Put price should be 1.01



    Underlying: $15.14
    Strike price: $16.00
    Put price: 1.01

    C=F+P-K

    Call price should be 0.15
     
  10. poopy

    poopy


    There is no point to the cell unless you output the mid of the call to the mark or the mid on the quoted put against the complete conversion (cell output = mid on 3-way).

    If it's quoting your fill then it should output the no-arb value of the 3-way.
     
    #10     Aug 14, 2024
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