vertical spreads

Discussion in 'Options' started by Jdesey, Oct 7, 2023.

  1. Jdesey

    Jdesey

    I have finally done the work to understand Credit spreads. It is not some
    crazy hard to understand strategy to be scared of. I will be putting on my
    first spreads this week. I have to face facts that after 3 years of straight buying calls and puts I am not profitable. Spreads put the time decay in my favor instead of working against me.

    anyone who is doing spreads with success please comment.
     
  2. destriero

    destriero

    Credit spreads in calls = debit spreads in puts. It's governed by the box-arbitrage. It's arbitrary to call a position a credit spread. One trader's cs is another's ps.

    A 75/80 short call spread in AAPL is = the 75/80 long put spread. Dissected another way; trading both = long synthetic at 75, short synthetic at 80, long the box.

    ATM/OTM spreads are long g, short decay. Details matter.

    I assume that you're going to short wing-spreads, deep OTM. GL with that.
     
  3. I'm also interested in this, what I found so far:

    John Locke has two strategies (the bull and the super bull) which are bullish spreads,
    you can find some material about them in youtube.

    I found it reasonable but haven't tried it yet - I am waiting for a market rally to put them on.

    If someone trades it (or traded it), please comment. Thanks!
     
  4. ajacobson

    ajacobson

    And another cheap plug. 5123eYC-mAL._SY425_.jpg
     
    Ironplates and Drawdown Addict like this.
  5. The author of the book himself?

     
  6. taowave

    taowave

    Why would you choose to buy puts or call instead of trading the underlying??

    And why flip to spreads when you were trading naked long calls or puts?? Why not do the exact opposite of your losing strategy??
    ( rhetorical question,I know the answer)

    Sounds like you are a directional trader. If you can't make money trading the underlying, selling verts won't be the cure




     
    Last edited: Oct 7, 2023
  7. sonoma

    sonoma

    Or you could meet somewhere in the middle. For instance, start with your usual long call. Half the time you'll be right and spot moves up. Then short a call somewhere above spot. Reduces your debit if spot reverses. Subsequent moves in spot ask that you add spreads of some type to constantly reposition the entire structure. Advantage to this back and forth positioning is that you're getting away from your prior all-in bet on direction with only hope to dictate outcome.
     
  8. traider

    traider

    Why do you want to cut your profits if you are right? What if u just caught a mega trend
     
  9. sonoma

    sonoma

    Of course, you wouldn't want to sell something against your long call if your bet was the underlying goes to the moon. I'm simply responding to the OP's comment that the long call/put opinions he's had haven't worked out by giving him an alternative approach to stay in the game.
     
    #10     Oct 8, 2023