Utility ETFs down hard… why?

Discussion in 'Trading' started by kmiklas, Oct 9, 2023.

  1. kmiklas

    kmiklas

    For example, take a look at these utility index funds:

    VPU
    XLU
    IDU
    FUTY

    I haven’t looked at their composition or weights, but I’d imagine they’re similar. Regardless, they all went down hard at the end of September.

    Worst since COVID 2020…

    what gives?
     
  2. SunTrader

    SunTrader

    Rates up, utils down.

    High capex. Also need to raise yield to compete with higher bond yields.
     
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  3. Sergio123

    Sergio123

    Do the utility ETFs got any Magnificent 7 stocks in them?

    Magnificent 7 stocks are the new defensive plays.
     
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  4. qwerty11

    qwerty11

    Just look at what's happening with NEE and you have your answer...
     
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  5. DaveV

    DaveV

    When interest rates go up, utility stocks are less appealing.
     
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  6. kmiklas

    kmiklas

    It’s always about interest rates, isn’t it?
    • “Why is the sky blue?” —Interest rates!
    • “Which came first, the chicken or the egg?” —Interest rates came before both of them.
    • “To be, or not to be… that is the question.” —No matter, the answer is interest rates.
     
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  7. nitrene

    nitrene

    XLU chart looks like its bottomed. It doesn't do down any more. It was up 1% today. 3.6% yield doesn't seem that useful in this environment so you have to believe the utilities can raise their rates to do well.

    If you want yield you can get 8-12% on leveraged loans or even BBB CLOs. Just like the telecom industry it relies heavily on borrowing tons of money which means they are screwed.
     
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  8. kmiklas

    kmiklas

    Where can I get BBB CLO at that rate? I checked Fidelity but only junk are paying that.
     
  9. R1234

    R1234

    this is a long term chart of Consolidated Edison. Look what it did during the 1970's inflation
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  10. kmiklas

    kmiklas

    Omg thanks for sharing this!
     
    #10     Oct 10, 2023
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