Trump approves cutting gas w/higher percentage of ethanol

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Cuddles, Oct 8, 2018.

  1. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    Pick up drivers seen celebrating on the streets.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-moves-to-allow-more-ethanol-in-gasoline-1539045001

    https://thehill.com/policy/energy-e...nnounces-plan-to-expand-ethanol-use-linked-to

    Trump Moves to Allow More Ethanol in Gasoline
    President trying to balance a promise to agriculture interests with oil-industry opposition

    WASHINGTON—President Trump is moving to allow year-round sale of gasoline containing a higher percentage of ethanol, satisfying campaign promises he made to the Farm Belt, while likely provoking a battle with the oil industry.

    Mr. Trump has endorsed pushing the maximum to 15% year round

    The long-expected announcement is something of a reward to Iowa Sen. Chuck Grassley, who as Senate Judiciary Committee chairman led a contentious but successful fight to confirm Brett Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court. The veteran Republican lawmaker is the Senate's leading ethanol proponent and sharply criticized the Trump administration's proposed rollback in ethanol volumes earlier this year.

    The administration’s memo calls to extend the sale of E15 -- consisting of 15 percent of ethanol blended into gasoline -- year round. The fuel was blocked between June 1 and Sept. 15, as science shows burning ethanol in warmer temperature leads to heightened ground-level ozone pollution and smog.

    The Environmental Protection Agency says E10 lowers mileage approximately 3 percent, which would drop your mileage from 19.6 to 19.0 mpg.

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  2. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark

    I go to gas stations miles out of the way to get gas with no ethanol for my car and truck.In my F 150 the fuel sensors fuck up and check engine light comes on when I use ethanol gas.
     
  3. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    Many cars pre '00's have rubbers that dry up & crack when using ethanol. Take care of your classics
     
  4. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark

    Mine is 2016.My personal mechanic is a Ford fleet mechanic and he says he sees the problems with Fords of all years and other model cars.When I first told him the problem and he scanned it and the codes came back as senser problems the first thing be asked me is what fuel I used.Before doing anything he told to try non ethanol gas and sure enough I had no problems.When I occasionally have to get ethanol gas the check engine light comes on and than goes off after I burn all of the ethanol fuel.
     
  5. Biodiesel is a disaster in cold weather. A few years ago, many truckers were shutdown near the holidays during a Polar Vortex event. It took well into the spring for the supply chain to finally catch up. Even in the Summer, diesel fuel filters tend to plug up more quickly and unexpectedly depending on quality and source of the biodiesel.

    Although growing of agriculture for the use in fuel is inefficient. I wonder if it is better than paying farmers to not grow anything.

    There are fuel additives that will disperse water effectively and can stabilize biofuel for perhaps up to a year in cases of long term storage.
     
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  6. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    Chuck grassley seen celebrating in his corn farm:

     
  7. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    For years they claimed the reason we needed ethanol in our fuel in order to reduce air pollution. The reality is that ethanol is worse for the climate. Of course, putting ethanol in fuel in the U.S. has been done to help the farm lobby - nothing more. It is time for this to stop. I want my automobiles to use fuel without ethanol.

    U.S. corn-based ethanol worse for the climate than gasoline, study finds
    https://www.reuters.com/business/en...climate-than-gasoline-study-finds-2022-02-14/

    Corn-based ethanol, which for years has been mixed in huge quantities into gasoline sold at U.S. pumps, is likely a much bigger contributor to global warming than straight gasoline, according to a study published Monday.

    The study, published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, contradicts previous research commissioned by the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) showing ethanol and other biofuels to be relatively green.

    President Joe Biden's administration is reviewing policies on biofuels as part of a broader effort to decarbonize the U.S. economy by 2050 to fight climate change.

    “Corn ethanol is not a climate-friendly fuel,” said Dr. Tyler Lark, assistant scientist at University of Wisconsin-Madison Center for Sustainability and the Global Environment and lead author of the study.

    The research, which was funded in part by the National Wildlife Federation and U.S. Department of Energy, found that ethanol is likely at least 24% more carbon-intensive than gasoline due to emissions resulting from land use changes to grow corn, along with processing and combustion.

    Geoff Cooper, president and CEO of the Renewable Fuels Association, the ethanol trade lobby, called the study "completely fictional and erroneous," arguing the authors used "worst-case assumptions [and] cherry-picked data."

    Under the U.S. Renewable Fuel Standard (RFS), a law enacted in 2005, the nation's oil refiners are required to mix some 15 billion gallons of corn-based ethanol into the nation's gasoline annually. The policy was intended to reduce emissions, support farmers, and cut U.S. dependence on energy imports.

    As a result of the mandate, corn cultivation grew 8.7% and expanded into 6.9 million additional acres of land between 2008 and 2016, the study found. That led to widespread changes in land use, including the tilling of cropland that would otherwise have been retired or enrolled in conservation programs and the planting of existing cropland with more corn, the study found.

    Tilling fields releases carbon stored in soil, while other farming activities, like applying nitrogen fertilizers, also produce emissions.

    A 2019studyfrom the USDA, which has been broadly cited by the biofuel industry, found that ethanol’s carbon intensity was 39% lower than gasoline, in part because of carbon sequestration associated with planting new cropland.

    But that research underestimated the emissions impact of land conversion, Lark said.

    USDA did not respond to a request for comment.

    The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, which administers the nation's biofuel policy, is considering changes to the program. Under the RFS, Congress set blending requirements through 2022, but not beyond, giving the EPA authority to impose reforms. EPA plans to propose 2023 requirements in May.
     
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