Trading status of FRC and SI

Discussion in 'Stocks' started by earth_imperator, May 12, 2023.

  1. FRC and SI belong to the troubled regional banks.
    Trading seems to be halted (FRC since April 28, and SI since May 10, but there seem to be no news about that).
    Any info about their current trading status?
    I just bot some PACW Puts, hope it will not suddenly & silently stop trading like the above two.
     
  2. BKR88

    BKR88

    FRC is trading under the symbol FRCB @ .41
    SIVB is trading under the symbol SIVBQ @ .48
     
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  3. Another of the troubled regional banks is FHN
    Anybody know the reason why its option chain does not go beyond Dec 2023 ?
     
  4. Thx.

    On 2023-01-03 FRC was at about $120, today it's at $0.39.
    How much in percent did a short seller of the stock make? Is it something like 30,768% profit?
    I think there were multiple times a doubling of the profit. Was it 307 times? :) Hmm. nope, this must be the x-fold of the initial investment.

    What about the performance of an ATM Put option bought on Jan 3 ?
    This is the FRC options ATM strike 120 expiring 2023-05-19 as of 2023-01-03, from historic options data by ORATS:
    Code:
        {
          "ticker": "FRC",
          "tradeDate": "2023-01-03",
          "expirDate": "2023-05-19",
          "dte": 137,
          "strike": 120,
          "stockPrice": 121.45,
          "callVolume": 0,
          "callOpenInterest": 29,
          "callBidSize": 60,
          "callAskSize": 76,
          "putVolume": 0,
          "putOpenInterest": 136,
          "putBidSize": 43,
          "putAskSize": 13,
          "callBidPrice": 10.4,
          "callValue": 12.027072333850077,
          "callAskPrice": 13.4,
          "putBidPrice": 8.7,
          "putValue": 8.956558406635034,
          "putAskPrice": 9.2,
          "callBidIv": 0.3013905003678865,
          "callMidIv": 0.3536184110020467,
          "callAskIv": 0.405846321636207,
          "smvVol": 0.35804211810138786,
          "putBidIv": 0.3457918909364174,
          "putMidIv": 0.35448126281670556,
          "putAskIv": 0.3631706346969938,
          "residualRate": -0.0019127727722359367,
          "delta": 0.5877380472984575,
          "gamma": 0.014635510561568359,
          "theta": -0.043668632643070644,
          "vega": 0.28725975535454085,
          "rho": 0.22108993184828485,
          "phi": -0.26589260720902513,
          "driftlessTheta": -0.037752745172851945,
          "extSmvVol": 0.37849529639719054,
          "extCallValue": 12.614717422816847,
          "extPutValue": 9.640739291548607,
          "spotPrice": 121.45,
          "quoteDate": "2023-01-03T20:46:00Z",
          "updatedAt": "2023-01-03T20:46:00Z",
          "expiryTod": "pm"
        },
    
    Let's say a MidPrice of $8.95 for Put.

    I couldn't get the prices of 2023-05-12 from ORATS (gives a permanent error).
    But according to YahooFinance it was this:
    FRCB230519P00120000 2023-04-28 3:18PM EDT 120.00 117.74 118.10 122.00 0.00 - - 90 0.00%

    ie. Bid=118.10 Ask=122.00. Let's say a MidPrice of 120.05

    This then makes a performance of 120.05 / 8.95 * 100 - 100 = 1241.34%
     
    Last edited: May 13, 2023
  5. BKR88

    BKR88

    Options trading performance should be viewed from a $$ perspective & ignore the % ROI per trade.
    Option traders that sell a service like to advertise the big % wins but don't tell you how much $$ they make/lose.
    Show me the $$$$. The % is just for show.
     
  6. All the data is there. It's about some "handy" numbers of contracts.
    The % result suffices as it already tells everything important.
    If one makes an investment, then one is mainly interested in the ROI%, much like with the interest rate (%) one (hopefully) gets from savings banks...
     
    Last edited: May 13, 2023
  7. Everything about margin and its maths with some useful examples:
    https://thismatter.com/money/stocks/margin.htm

    Now one can answer the following Q:
    Let's assume the margin requirement was 30%. Meaning one only needed to have 30% of the $120 to be able to short the stock, ie. $36. Since the stock fell from $120 to $0.39, it's a difference of $119.61. And this makes 119.61 / 36 * 100 = 332.25% ROI.

    The ROI% of the Put option (cf. previous posting) is much higher (1241.34%).
     
    Last edited: May 13, 2023