Trading Options AAPL against SPX

Discussion in 'Options' started by marwanco, Oct 30, 2022.

  1. marwanco

    marwanco

    Because AAPL and SPX are highly correlated, I want to sell ATM call options in AAPL and buy ATM 1 call option SPX, both are 50 delta, cant figure it out , how many AAPL calls I need to make the position neutral, do I use underlying price ratio or call option price ratio?

    The Idea is to sell AAPL which is higher IV than SPX.

    Example : AAPL Call 143=$1.2, SPX Call 3650 =$22.30

    price ratio=3650/143=25 or 22.3/1.2=18

    Thanks
     
  2. Sekiyo

    Sekiyo

  3. xandman

    xandman

    A crazy, dangerous trade. There is a very good reason why a single name will have higher vol than the index.

    Study Dispersion Trading as well.

    One way of calculating the ratio is by comparing notional values or dollar delta with a beta adjustment. Not simply price or premium.
     
    Last edited: Oct 31, 2022
  4. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    beta adjust the delta or the notional (stock prices). That’s what I would do.

    it will be a very noisy trade.
     
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  5. dekiles

    dekiles

    But in general, it could be the right decision and give some result.
     
  6. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    On what basis? The fact that you receive premium?
     
  7. Gambit

    Gambit

    Why not "de noise" this trade by turning each part into a spread? Less profit but if and when the two IVs diverge, losses won't be severe.
     
  8. Gambit

    Gambit

    And isn't this type of dispersion trade usually done as a basket?
     
  9. Gambit

    Gambit

  10. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    a spread doesn't change the fact that AAPL and SPX will diverge in realized vol and in direction quite a bit.
     
    #10     Oct 31, 2022
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