Time to lock in 4.7% returns on your savings for 10 years?

Discussion in 'Economics' started by Daal, Oct 3, 2023.

  1. Daal

    Daal

    I started to scale in a portion of my cash reserves (that were getting 5% at IB) into 10y Treasury notes. My thinking is that:
    -A recession in the next 2 years is like a 30-40% chance
    -Rick Santelli was on CNBC talking about how rates might go to 13%, which gives me contrarian indicator vibes
    -If the new normal of inflation is 3%, 4.65% is a pretty good yield to get on savings. And I get to lock that in for 10 years
    -Headlines about how high rates were are all over the place, even Cramer is live tweeting the "capital destruction in bonds"
    -5% is nice, but guaranteed 4.65% for 10 years is better
    -The Fed is probably done hiking

    I put a 1/3 position and plan to scale in if bond prices continue to fall, this is not a "macro bet" as much as is a "savings" bet, I want to protect myself from future cuts and/or ZIRP
    I would love to hear the opinion of other macro/economic thinkers out there
     
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  2. Banks don't offer a "locked-in" rate for that long unless they think that rates are going higher. They want to lock in a "low-cost source of funds" which they can lend to others at a higher rate.

    Lots are claiming, "THIS is the top in rates". They don't know, they're just guessing.

    Odds are that if you're patient you might get a higher rate sometime later.
     
    Last edited: Oct 3, 2023
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  3. Yields are up again.
    Last week I got 5.7% on a 1 year cd.
     
  4. Daal

    Daal

    Im locking rates in using US Treasury bonds with 2033 maturies. I guess I wasnt clear enough
     
  5. Overnight

    Overnight

    It was quite clear, because Scat

    A. Cannot read and thus understand "10y treasuries" and

    B. Do the math that 2023+10y=2033.
     
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  6. Apparently there is also some 6% yield money... don't know the detials.
     
  7. Bill Ackman is on the opposing side of that trade. You decide whether that is positive or negative for your thesis.
     
  8. BKR88

    BKR88

    Fidelity has 10 year CDs at 5.55%.
    .9% more over 10 years adds up.

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  9. %%
    Yes;
    some money market/ not as much as SEPT/;
    OCT tends to be much better for stock/ETF traders. Sold [edit]some hi grade copper into uptrend..............................................................................
     
  10. 1 month treasuries are paying 5.5% why people are accepting less elsewhere boggles my mind.

    If you really think interest rates are going to go down, then you want money free to buy stocks anyways.
     
    #10     Oct 3, 2023
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