Time is Money

Discussion in 'Stocks' started by mikeriley, Jan 4, 2022.

  1. mikeriley

    mikeriley

    This is my first thread on the Elite Trader Forum.
    I hope someone may find value in this strategy.

    This is a very old strategy, probably has
    been around longer than I've been alive.

    Parabolic Move Strategy (Time is Money)

    No indicators needed, as everything is based on TIME.

    Research Stocks and make a detailed list of
    the average time of day stocks move up or down.
    You'll identify some markets as seasonal
    and/or move better at certain times better
    than others.

    Multiple time frames of 7 & 14 minutes.
    Trade size based upon market conditions and past performance stats using optimal f formula
    Entry signals based on time compression.
    Following historical moves based
    on a time variable. If one of the stocks on my list start
    a sharp move in between a specific time - I trade it.
    Exits automatic using trailing stops.

    EXAMPLE TRADE:
    Stock XYZ historical record shows when it
    makes a down move between 9:43am and 9:45am
    it averages a drop between $6 to $8

    I buy 100 shares to trade XYZ at approx 9:44am with a $1.00 trailing stop.
    Every time XYZ makes $1.00 profit, I add to position another 100 shares to position.
    With using trailing stop every $2 move locks in $1 profit.

    No trades are held overnight.

    My style of trading is 83% of these trades are shorts.
    Of course this will be different for every person.

    Thanks for reading.
    To your Trading Success.
     
    Last edited: Jan 4, 2022
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  2. Mercor

    Mercor

    If you can find these secret patterns, trading will become very easy

    EXAMPLE TRADE:
    Stock XYZ historical record shows when it
    makes a down move between 9:43am and 9:45am
    it averages a drop between $6 to $8
     
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  3. mikeriley

    mikeriley

    I guess you could call it a secret pattern if you want.
    Or you could test the process and see if it's no secret
    at all and much easier than you think.

    The large majority of my trades
    are low volume (100k to 400k)
    Low volume markets experience
    less choppiness in getting past
    morning volatility.

    I'm sure this is common knowledge,
    but many low volume markets make large
    moves and the volume never makes a
    significant change.

    I've seen markets with 150k or less
    volume move 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 dollars
    or more and the volume never changes!

    No idea what kind of voodoo manipulation
    these computers are doing, but maybe
    trading computers is more effective
    than trading 1 million plus volume
    markets that whipsaw regularly.

    After testing multiple time frames,
    the 7 and 14 worked best for me.
    Not sure why, but I suspect mentally
    my personality can discern
    price action better on those frames.

    I know sometimes it's hard as shit trying to find
    a strategy that works. I've had winners do
    brilliant one month, then turn to pig shit
    the next month. Riding the boom & bust
    roller coaster is not really fun.

    Anyone can teach a strategy, but
    trying to adopt and imitate a traders
    mindset that helps profit the strategy
    is probably more challenging.

    I realize many traders will not trade unless they back test.
    I no longer backtest, because I realized I was trying to
    develop trades into a probabilistic edge of CERTAINTY
    But the market is always UNCERTAIN and just laughs at
    me spending 10 hours a day backtesting strategies.

    Since I can't superimpose my emotions over backtesting
    I no longer find it of value. I was doing it because consensus
    agrees that it works. Or does it?

    Instead of back testing, I now test a strategy by buying
    1 or 2 shares in actual trading. I've learned if it does
    not work with 1 share, in most cases it wont work with
    any amount.

    For a long time I used indicators. My screen use to look
    like a Christmas tree with Santa and his reindeers.
    Unfortunately Santa always failed to bring me presents.

    The journey of self knowledge is not always easy.
    I've learned my performance turns to pig shit after 6 trades,
    so I limit my trading to no more than 6 positions per day.
    Can you imagine the thrill of losing 5 trades, and
    knowing you only get 1 more trade? Every trading day
    that is always my real TEST.

    I've always found it fascinating how trading is both easy
    and challenging at the same time.
    It's easy to wrap a red cape
    on a sleeping Bull, but trying to ride
    that same Bull after it wakes up is the real challenge.

    An old friend now deceased, that was incredibly
    successful with stocks and futures, use to tell me
    "Mike you have to trade who you are, and not what you want".
    Then he'd smile and ask "Mike, do you know who
    you are yet?"

    Just my opinion, but I believe trading full
    time is the best business in the world.
     
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  4. Leob

    Leob

    Like a lot and big time.
    Much appreciate your way of thinking and attitude.
    Wow, very impressed.
    Health Mister.
     
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  5. qlai

    qlai

    So you are basically shorting low float stocks?
     
  6. mikeriley

    mikeriley

    Hi qlai.

    Technically I rarely look at shares outstanding or float level.

    They are mostly low volume stocks, not all,
    but the vast majority.

    As an example this morning I was in AMBA, NET and ZM
    No idea what their float level was, so I looked up their respective
    levels so I could respond to this message.

    Both NET and ZM are over 200 million, but AMBA is 35 million.
    Probably depends on the platform also, as some platforms
    share different float numbers.

    But honestly, float level is not a consideration that I follow.
    I don't follow short interest, or prior day OHLC info.

    The only variable I use is TIME

    For those who may not have the luxury of time
    to research stocks based on price/time relationship,
    they might try a filter, like wait until price hits a
    price point. I use this for parabolic stocks that
    are not on my list. Example: $4.00 for most moves

    Hope that helps
     
  7. qlai

    qlai

    Thanks for answering and welcome (as a poster). If it works for you great, I don’t see why time of the move have any persistent consistency. Are you saying that according to your data, you shorted NET today?
     
  8. Sounds like an interesting technique. Would be great if you could make a little video of your trading in action :)
     
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  9. mikeriley

    mikeriley

    "Thanks for answering and welcome (as a poster). If it works for you great, I don’t see why time of the move have any persistent consistency. Are you saying that according to your data, you shorted NET today?"

    Hi again qlai,

    Sorry, but I'm not sure how to place statements in quotes.

    Technically only AMBA, is on my list, that I've traded periodically since late 2015.
    I used the $4.00 factor as a short entry for both NET and ZM.

    Of course NET and ZM are now listed with detailed record of price move by time.

    A few books that helped me understand the TIME element in the markets.

    Time Factors In the Stock Market by George Bayer
    Predicting Market Trends with Periodic Number Cycles by Carl Futia
     
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  10. vanzandt

    vanzandt

    Totally not raining on your parade, but be very careful shorting low volume stocks. It can certainly be done, but never add to a position, and have the account wherewithal to be able to watch the thing go way up from your initial entry. You are right, depending on the size of your short, you may be fighting the algo's.

    I would never in a million years short a stock that trades below 300K/day. You're just asking for trouble. That's jmho, with a bagillion trades under my belt. No response necessary or wanted.
     
    #10     Jan 4, 2022
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