This Silicon Valley city just voted to institute first-in-the-nation gun ownership requirements

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Frederick Foresight, Jan 26, 2022.

  1. https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/26/us/san-jose-gun-law-wednesday/index.html

    The San Jose, California, city council voted Tuesday night to adopt a first-in-the-nation ordinance requiring most gun owners to pay a fee and carry liability insurance, measures aimed at reducing the risk of gun harm by incentivizing safer behavior and easing taxpayers of the financial burden of gun violence.

    The Silicon Valley city's council split the vote into two parts: the first approving the bulk of the proposal, including the insurance provisions, and the second approving the fee provisions. The insurance vote passed 10-1, while the fees vote passed 8-3.

    The ordinance must be approved next month at its final reading in order to take effect in August. Gun rights supporters have threatened to sue to block the measures if they become law.

    Ahead of the vote, Democratic Mayor Sam Liccardo estimated that San Jose residents incur about $442 million in gun-related costs each year. "Certainly the Second Amendment protects every citizen's right to own a gun. It does not require taxpayers to subsidize that right," Liccardo said Monday at a news conference.

    Mass shootings impelled Liccardo to push the fee and insurance initiatives -- first after the 2019 slayings at a festival in nearby Gilroy, California, then following last year's deadly siege at public transit facility in his city. The mayor has compared the plan to car insurance mandates, which he credits with dramatically reducing traffic fatalities.

    San Jose's city council after the June mass shooting unanimously approved drafting the ordinance, mayoral spokesperson Rachel Davis said Monday in a news release.

    Just 52% of Americans polled in late 2021 said "laws covering the sales of firearms" should be stricter, the lowest number Gallup has measured on the question since 2014. Meanwhile, there is a direct correlation in states with weaker gun laws and higher rates of gun deaths, including homicides, suicides and accidental killings, a study released Thursday by Everytown for Gun Safety found.

    Tuesday's vote followed hours of debate and public comment on the issue. Critics argued the ordinance punishes law-abiding gun owners and doesn't do enough to address root causes of gun violence. One speaker told the council during the public comment session, "You cannot tax a Constitutional right" and urged lawmakers to instead focus on enforcing existing laws, hiring more police officers and funding mental health services.

    A supporter told the council the ordinance will "help protect our community from preventable gun deaths," while another urged members to approve the measure, saying, "In the near future, it will be very evident that this was an obvious thing to do, and we'll wonder why we didn't do it sooner."

    A guns rights group has threatened to sue
    Under San Jose's measure, gun owners would be charged an annual $25 fee directed to a nonprofit set up to distribute funds to gun crime prevention and to victims of gun violence. The measure also would require gun owners to obtain liability insurance that would cover damage caused by their weapon.

    People who fail to comply are subject to fines and could have firearms impounded "subject to a due process hearing," the ordinance says.

    Lower premiums for those with gun safes, trigger locks and completed gun safety classes are expected to incentivize safer behavior.

    As to enforcement, police officers crossing paths with gun owners would ask for proof of insurance, much like they do with car insurance during traffic stops, Liccardo explained.

    While some would be exempt, including those in law enforcement, those with concealed-carry permits, and those for whom the fee would be a financial burden, pushback is expected, the mayor acknowledged.

    "We've opposed this ordinance every step of the way and we will see this through to the end," Dudley Brown, president of the National Association for Gun Rights and executive director of the National Foundation for Gun Rights, told CNN in a statement before the vote.

    "If the San Jose City Council actually votes to impose this ridiculous tax on the Constitutional right to gun ownership, our message is clear and simple: see you in court," Brown said.

    The National Foundation for Gun Rights in July sent a cease-and-desist letter to Liccardo and the council's 10 members stating it intends to file suit as soon as the ordinance is passed. The group was reacting to a June 29 council action in which "you voted unanimously to have the City Attorney research and draft an ordinance that would impose a mandatory fee on gun owners and require them to buy gun liability insurance," the letter states.

    San Jose has identified a law firm that would represent the city on the issue at no charge, the mayor's spokesperson said.
     
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  2. I never understood why there is not a national license requirement standardized for safety training and storage and restrictions on non-license users. Driving licenses are by state by all of them have very common safety and use rules. the fact that cities and states can have varying degree of requirements before purchasing or carrying a gun is mind boggling. 2nd amendment never prevents any type of regulation rahter than this mish mash of rules that change so much from state to state yet carrying guns across state lines would invoke federal coverage.

    the paying of a fee or requiring liability insurance most likely will kill the law but the fee really serves no purpose.
     
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  3. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    it likely won't survive a constitutional challenge. We don't tax voting (well, red states do but shouldn't), and the 2nd is essentially a right akin to voting. One could make an argument for the "well organized militia" bit, but that shit got scrapped years ago by con SCOTUS
     
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  5. Mercor

    Mercor

    financial burden of gun violence.

    I assume a lot of that are medical costs. We should shift the medical cost burden to the products that cause this
    Lets start with the QuarterPounders, Driving and Texting, add this cost to monthly phone bills
     
  6. Bugenhagen

    Bugenhagen

    Retard, people already pay car insurance for driving and texting.

    How do you even feed yourself a hamburger to stay living is the mystery here you are so mentally deficient.
     
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  7. ipatent

    ipatent

    Probably not too many gun owners there in the first place.
     

  8. So if you claim that those that eat quarter pounders should pay a tax to cover medical costs because they are responsible for the medical costs...and the burden should be shifted to the products that cause the burden...


    You are so bad at this you actually made the argument for gun owners to be taxed because the burden should be shifted to the products that cause the burden...guns.
     
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  9. LS1Z28

    LS1Z28

    The protests/riots this past year created more than $1B in damage. Can you imagine what it would be like if our country started taxing and requiring insurance for someone to utilize their freedom of expression?

    Constitutional rights shouldn't be infringed like this. I expect the SCOTUS to strike this down.
     
  10. Speaking of which, how much did Trump's "freedom of expression" cost your country in actual damage and reputation? Can you even put a number on it?
     
    #10     Jan 27, 2022