•the evidence our government found showing Russian interference in the election •the evidence our foreign allies found and shared with us indicating Russian interference in the election, which included internal surveillance video of Russian hackers at a Russian university •the fact that Russia hacked the emails of Republicans and Democrats but only released Democrats’ emails •Trump’s decision to appoint former adviser/fixer for pro-Russian and Russian-backed Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych, Paul Manafort, as campaign manager •Manafort’s discussions with a Russian billionaire offering private updates on the Trump campaign •evidence that a server in Trump Tower communicated almost exclusively with a server at a Russian bank with ties to the Kremlin (the only other communication the server engaged in was sporadic communication with a hospital server in the US) •the fact that after journalists asked the Trump campaign about the Trump Tower server, the server went offline •the fact that the server was almost immediately reconfigured and it resumed communication with the Russian bank server •Michael Flynn and son’s communication with GOP operative , Peter Smith, who was reaching out to hacker groups with connections to Russian hackers to obtain Clinton’s emails •Flynn’s consultation work with Cambridge Analytica, the firm in charge of the Trump campaign’s data operations •evidence that the Kremlin May have used US citizens as proxies to fund Republican campaigns •the Trump campaign’s enthusiasm at meeting with Russians for dirt on Clinton •Trump campaign officials meeting with Russians and their subsequent amnesia about those meetings •Kushner’s suggestion that the Russian embassy host back-channel communication between the Trump transition team and Russia •the change to the RNC platform regarding support of Ukraine in the event of further Russian aggression, which was made at the request of the Trump campaign •Trump’s decision to share classified information with Russian politicians •Trump’s decision to not enforce any sanctions against Russia for interfering with our election •Trump’s sale of a $40m property to a Russian oligarch looking to hide assets during a divorce for $100m •sales of Trump properties (21% of all Trump property sales) to shell corporations, which is common in money laundering •Trump’s sale of a Trump Tower apartment to Haitian dictator Baby Doc through a shell corporation, which he paid for using stolen money from the Haitian government •Trump’s consideration of building a Trump Tower in Moscow during the campaign •Jr’s statement that “Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets. We see a lot of money pouring in from Russia.” •the fact that since Trump’s bankruptcies, the majority of his financing comes from Deutsche Bank, which launders money for Russians •Trump and co’s repeated attempts to undermine the investigation and investigators
Correct me if I am wrong, but, didn't you just recently start a thread about dishonesty? I couldn't make past the first two lies. The first two points are completely misleading and dishonest. So, interference is the same thing as collusion now? Dems are constantly changing definitions of words to mislead.
There is an obvious quid pro quo going on here: Trump's help in getting the sanctions lifted in return for help in winning the election, which is a requirement if Trump is to be of help with sanctions. (Congress has not helped with Trump's intended easing of Sanctions. But Congress must depend on the administrative branch for enforcement. Trump has tried to appease his Russian backers by going slow on enforcement, i.e., failure to implement Congress's directives.) Trump's help in laundering Russian oligarch money and protecting Russian financial interests in the U.S. is in return for help in securing Russian financing for Trumps business deals, via Deutsche Bank's Moscow branch, and Russian controlled banks elsewhere. What's legal, illegal, or merely unethical will be sorted out by Mueller's team. But suffice it to say that regular communication between Trump's operation and Russian banks would be the expected order of the day, regardless of any "collusion" between Russians and the Trump political campaign, because Russian controlled banks comprise the main source of Trump's credit. His credit with U.S. controlled Banks has been negligible ever since his massive bankruptcy. Regardless, there is abundant prima facie evidence for "collusion" on the campaign itself, and it would come as a great surprise to all if Mueller's team has not turned up direct, irrefutable evidence of such. It's a safe bet that if any of Trump's miraculously profitable business transactions with Russians on shore in the U.S. have involved the Trump organization in illegal money laundering, then Trump's tax returns very likely do not reflect the entirety of these transactions. Not only may federal law present him with liability, but New York Law may as well. The Statute of limitation may not offer equal protection in these two different venues. He would be well advised to seek competent legal advice. He is going to need it! What I personally find fascinating is that a person with Trump's business history would not naturally shun the limelight. Why call attention to one's self and invite close scrutiny of your business dealings and tax returns? It makes no sense at all unless one is pure as the driven snow, which we all know is not the case here. I can only surmise that he is a victim of his extreme narcissism. To put it simply, he couldn't help himself. _________________________ There is yet another aspect to this story that makes it even more compelling. And that is the long history of animosity between Russia and the Western alliance, led by Great Britain and the United States; a spat in which both parties acted like juveniles from time to time. Generally the U.S. and its allies retained the upper hand, resulting in, until now, largely unrequited resentment in Putin's mind and also among Russian citizenry. It's no wonder that Vladimir Putin is no friend of the United States. He must see Donald Trump as a fortuitous and useful tool. If he has seized an opportunity to use this tool to weaken U.S. hegemony, broaden discord among the U.S. and its NATO allies, so seeds of mistrust among U.S. citizenry and weaken Western democratic institutions, should we be surprised?
Please STFU. Your constant stream of shittalk has literally destroyed this forum and turned it into a wasteland of Democratic talking points and half-baked conspiracy theories. You, Stark, and a couple others literally spam the shit out of these boards every minute of every day, drowning out all dialogue except your own voice and paper-over counterfacts and real evidence with vapid dismissals and dogshit accusations of "treason". Trust me, you're the fucking traitor. If even 10% of what you just posted was true, Trump would have been indicted a year ago. Where's your evidence fuckboy? Post links to every claim you just made. You won't because ur post is just another baseless, factless, garbage-riddled shit-stream, in an endless trail of droppings supported by zero evidence. Zero. Zilch. Sweet fuck all. Snopes isn't 'a source'. Hufpo isn't 'a source'. CNN makes shit up literally half the time. "Anonymous sources" have turned out to be synonymous with "we make it up to make Trump look bad". Trumps A FREE MAN (GOD BLESS AMERICA). And it just burns you up cause you're a traitor to Democracy and fundamentally hate what America stands for and want to see it fail. That's the definition of most Democrats. Honestly, radical Democrats (like you Stark and others) are literally traitor pigs who happily cheer on the attempted overthrow of a duly elected President based on an invented fairy tale. Mind you, a fairy tale concocted by your side, at the highest levels of the Obama DOJ, FBI, CIA and possibly FISA court. And you're fine with it and call us traitors to Democracy? If I saw you in the street, I'd piss in your dead mothers face. You are literally the worst, fascist type of scum who deserves a fucking bullet. You're a straight up traitor coward. Now, you want some real facts, fuck boy? Russia didn't change a single vote. And there is zero fuck-all evidence of Trump "working" with Russia. And if there is (zero evidence suggests so), it didn't change a single vote. So go sit on ur daddys dick, and come up with something else. From the DHS: DHS Statement On NBC News Coverage Of Election Hacking Release Date: February 12, 2018 For Immediate Release Office of the Press Secretary Contact: 202-282-8010 WASHINGTON - Today, Jeanette Manfra, National Protection and Programs Directorate (NPPD) Assistant Secretary for the Office of Cybersecurity and Communications, released the following statement regarding the recent NBC news coverage on the Department of Homeland Security’s efforts to combat election hacking. “Recent NBC reporting has misrepresented facts and confused the public with regard to Department of Homeland Security and state and local government efforts to combat election hacking. First off, let me be clear: we have no evidence – old or new - that any votes in the 2016 elections were manipulated by Russian hackers. NBC News continues to falsely report my recent comments on attempted election hacking – which clearly mirror my testimony before the Senate Intelligence Committee last summer – as some kind of “breaking news,” incorrectly claiming a shift in the administration’s position on cyber threats. As I said eight months ago, a number of states were the target of Russian government cyber actors seeking vulnerabilities and access to U.S. election infrastructure. In the majority of cases, only preparatory activity like scanning was observed, while in a small number of cases, actors were able to access the system but we have no evidence votes were changed or otherwise impacted. "NBC’s irresponsible reporting, which is being roundly criticized elsewhere in the media and by security experts alike, undermines the ability of the Department of Homeland Security, our partners at the Election Assistance Commission, and state and local officials across the nation to do our incredibly important jobs. While we’ll continue our part to educate NBC and others on the threat, more importantly, the Department of Homeland Security and our state and local partners will continue our mission to secure the nation’s election systems. "To our state and local partners in the election community: there’s no question we’re making real and meaningful progress together. States will do their part in how they responsibly manage and implement secure voting processes. For our part, we’re going to continue to support with risk and vulnerability assessments, offer cyber hygiene scans, provide real-time threat intel feeds, issue security clearances to state officials, partner on incident response planning, and deliver cybersecurity training. The list goes on of how we’re leaning forward and helping our partners in the election community. We will not stop, and will stand by our partners to protect our nation’s election infrastructure and ensure that all Americans can have confidence in our democratic elections.”
you nailed... it. they have laid waste to the value of this p&r section. A few years ago it was fun debating lefties with brains on topics like the IRS targeting conservatives or whether a million immigrants a year brings down wages.. Now we have dnc trolls spaming with crap. I note the change in the dnc position on the dossier over the last year. remember when trump jr was a criminal for trying to get dirt on hillary and the dossier could not have been the work of hillary. Now we see that hillary and the FBI colluded with Russia to get dirt on trump. (via surrogates)