The state of democracy in America

Discussion in 'Politics' started by VicBee, Sep 10, 2023.

  1. VicBee

    VicBee

    https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/09/politics/gerrymandering-what-matters/index.html

     
  2. notagain

    notagain

    Open borders are a threat to democracy.
    WEF, Mexican cartels and Dems (rip crew) all peas in a pod.
    Local politics is the last defense.
     
  3. Most of the illicit drugs from Mexico pass through ports of entry.

    What else you got?
     
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  4. VicBee

    VicBee

    I don't recall the Republicans so offended by South American cocaine fueling the 80s and 90s financial, media and political elites. Florida was the white snow capital of America!
    The only immigration Republicans encourage is from Republican voting immigrants. Except the MAGA fringe is so racist, they only want white immigrants.
     
  5. wrbtrader

    wrbtrader

    Actually, Asians from Asia as illegal immigrants are in 2nd place behind illegal immigrants from South America. Thus, if the MAGA fringe wanted more white immigrants...they're doing a poor job of it because there are lots of white Europeans in Europe but the problem in the past decade...white Europeans are less attracted to America when other countries are more suitable. :D

    Strangely, we rarely hear any thing about illegal immigrants from Asia. Statistical models predict illegal immigrants from Asia will surpass illegal immigrants from South America by 2055. That's a jaw-dropping prediction considering the location of Asia in comparison to South America on the southern U.S. border.

    By the way, recently I flew to the U.S. to renew my driver's license...the top three languages offered for the written test in the state I applied were English, Spanish, and Chinese...above all other languages for the driver's written test.

    I took the test in French and asked for a French speaker for the road test. I was lucky to be given a chatty woman that talked about her husband and her scuba diving adventures off the coast of France. :D

    Illegal-Immigrants-Population-America.png

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  6. VicBee

    VicBee

    Illegal immigrants from Asia are usually people who overstay their tourist or temp work visas. Trump said it himself, he wants immigrants from white countries, not understanding that very few Europeans care to move to the US.

    I know for a fact that Chinese and Indian employers in the US regularly receive "guests" from their original country, who end up working 12 hour days, 7 days a week in US factories or construction sites for the maximum tourist visa duration. In 3 months they earn more than a year back home.
     
  7. wrbtrader

    wrbtrader

    Yeah, he lacks the understanding of why White immigrants are more likely to immigrate to another country instead of America.
    • America's lifestyle is built around automobiles...long commutes to work.
    • America lacks a compatible social healthcare system, decent public services, and high college tuition etc. Also, the America work system typically is 5 days and 2 days rest.
    • America's political system is too polarized around two political parties whereas in Europe...there are multiple political parties.
    • Most Europeans look down on America for its treatment of minorities, women, disabled and those with mental illness.
    • Violent crime in America is too high of a price to pay (risk) in comparison to Europe.
    As someone stated...The US is OK for a visit, but here we’ve got attractive buildings and fabulous history and culture all around us and a proper healthcare system and good food and several weeks’ paid holiday and a very pleasant absence of loonies running around with guns, and loonies who are obsessed with race and religion...

    There are many other reasons such as family values (e.g. I made a decision to start/raise my family outside of the United States) because the United States ranks poorly against other top 10 countries in "family" after I served in the U.S. military while a citizen of three countries (France, Canada, and the United States).

    Regardless, my mother is White European and she has no regrets about immigrating to America (Kentucky) and loved being married to my old man (he was a U.S. military officer).

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  8. Overnight

    Overnight

    A. Your chart shows that Asia has already surpassed South America.

    B. South America is not on our southern border. North America is.
     
  9. wrbtrader

    wrbtrader

    Actually, I meant to reference that Asia is predicted to surpass Mexico & Central America in illegal immigrants by 2055. Thus, you're correct, illegal immigrants from Asia have already surpassed South America.

    The jaw-dropping expectation by 2055 is because of the comparison to the below chart (declining since what looks like the end of 2015) that I forgot to post in my prior message.

    Illegal-Immigrants-Population-Asia-Pacific-Islanders.png

    There's no explanation that I could find why the above numbers will reversed and go upwards to what would be in my opinion...record levels of Asians. Yet, recently vacationing in Chicago...it's noticeable that there are more Asians living there in comparison to before the pandemic and Chinatown has grown to levels that it's changing the political structure in the Chicago area.

    Talking to an ex-military buddy from Texas...he said the Asian population (illegal immigrants) has grown "ridiculous" in Houston and Plano Texas. Simply, Asians are the fastest growing demographics in many suburbs of Texas.

    Also, my youngest sibling lives in Kentucky. On his street, he's seen more Asian families move into the neighborhood in the past 3 years even during the Pandemic...two particular families are illegals (undocumented).

    Illegal-Immigrants-Population-Asia-Pacific-Islanders-1.png

    Another statistic...most immigrating Asians (including illegals) are Catholic. :thumbsup:

    Could we one day see an Asian U.S. President or Vice President ?

    ...Since the Voting Rights Act of 1965 was signed into law, removing barriers preventing African Americans from voting, the face of the American voter has gradually changed. During the 2020 elections, Asian Americans flexed their political muscle in presidential and congressional races, contributing to a record voter turnout across the nation.

    Demographers and other experts say Asian Americans will steadily grow into a dominant force in American politics.

    "Asian Americans have really come into prominence as a new electoral force to be reckoned with," said Sara Sadhwani, a senior researcher for AAPI Data.

    The turnout of Asian American voters hit a historic high of nearly 60% in 2020, according to the U.S. Census Bureau. By a margin of 68% to 28%, Asian Americans voted for Democrat Joe Biden over incumbent President Donald Trump, according to an election eve poll organized by the AAPI (Asian American and Pacific Islander) Civic Engagement Fund and 21 other organizations...

    https://www.voanews.com/a/usa_asian-americans-emerge-force-us-politics/6209066.html

    P.S. My teenage son has a first girlfriend that's half Chinese and half Jewish. I've become a little more interested in the Asian & Jewish population here in Canada and the United States.

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  10. VicBee

    VicBee

    You keep using the word Asian, an American only used misnomer to group 2/3 of the world's population. It would make sense to be more specific to describe who you mean to describe, like Southeast Asian, Far East Asian, South Asian, etc... Personally, I think it's best to simply name the country you're referring to, like China in your instance.

    I grew up in Oakland, CA which, in the 60s, used to be clearly demarcated between the blacks living in the flat lands and the whites living in the hills. Blacks were not welcomed to move to the hills and most whites were too scared to drive through the flat lands.
    Early on, Chinese shops had opened in what was no white people land near downtown and the cheapest real estate they could buy. Through the 70s and 80s more Chinese moved in, enough to create a vibrant Chinatown. The relationship between Blacks and Chinese was bumpy but the Chinese were relentlessly pushing the boundaries of what has become one of the city's most vibrant areas. Chinese gentrification of the area (about 5 x 3 blocks) made Oakland safer for other groups to set up businesses and today downtown Oakland is far more diversified than anytime in its history and the safest it has ever been for anyone.
    Over the past decades, many poor areas have transitioned from Blacks to Central Americans and Blacks moved to more distant suburbs.
    Interestingly, during the development of the Chinese neighborhood, many Vietnamese fleeing the Communist takeover of their country moved to an adjacent neighborhood, but it became a drugs/prostitution/crime infested area with frequent killings and fights with black gangs. Of course, most Americans can't make the difference between Chinese and Vietnamese and tended to group the lot as an Asian invasion, but locals knew better not to confuse Chinatown with Little Saigon.
    Also thankfully, Oakland today is far more segregated by income class than race and the hills are as diverse as can be.
     
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