The shift from Active to Passive Investment - How does it affect market valuations?

Discussion in 'Trading' started by Laissez Faire, Jan 7, 2021.

  1. As active funds are losing, and probably will continue to lose, market share to passive funds - how will this affect market valuations?

    It's not something I've thought a great deal on, but in simple terms, it seems to me that if there's no longer active funds which can express their opinion on prices by selling (shorting or profit taking) shares, indexation and passive investment will artificially inflate the stock prices of the stocks that are part of that particular index and obviously the index as well. This will probably relate to other asset classes, too.

    Pretty much every retail investor I know are buying index funds only and they're buying it monthly for long term investment / retirement accounts regardless of current stock climate. They're buying index funds because historically they outperform active investment.

    Some of these are also ready to go all in on the next market drop as stock prices only go up long term according to them. They have no knowledge of stocks or the general economy. Just this basic 'fact' and as such they simply buy. No further thought is involved.

    I see there's a new paper from the FED on this which does seem to acknowledge that indexation / passive investing does boost the price of stocks that are included in the index and may cause a bubble.

    https://www.federalreserve.gov/econ...ng-potential-risks-to-financial-stability.htm

    This article, too, warns against the risks of indexation.

    https://www.firstlinks.com.au/paradox-passive-investing

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  2. I wouldn't worry about "valuations". The only things that matter are (1) momo, and (2) the Fed... tightening or juicing.
     
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  3. Atikon

    Atikon

    Michael Green has some interesting things to say on this. Interewting thought experiment
     
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  4. Good question. I think the biggest impact is a decrease in volatility, which should decrease the estimation error residual, making markets more efficient and reducing the value of "valuation signals" as market prices more accurately reflect fundamentals.
     
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  5. Daal

    Daal

    passive funds are active funds managed by the indexing companies. discuss
     
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  6. Nobert

    Nobert

    The Mr. Market is reinventing the old/existing products or introducing the new ones.
    (fractional shares, BTC futures, a garbage that was made out of the garbage, which was made from the garbage & etc.)

    Lot's of capital will sunk in those.
    Let those valuations to fly into the stars, while puts lands onto the moon.
    I mean, if one knows that which he is doing, then that's the last thing to worry about.
    If it goes too high, at some point it will go too low.
    ,,At some point'', might take ,,some'' time.

    Meanwhile, plenty of opportunities.
    (Last time checked 630 000 equities alone, globally, while a dozen is more than enough)

    https://www.elitetrader.com/et/threads/the-rise-fall-of-passive-investing.352624/
     
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  7. savoir

    savoir

    Passive funds are the epitome of dumb money. That it will not end well for this generation of true believers is obvious. The timing of the tipping point is less obvious, but it can’t be too far in the future.
     
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  8. Nobert

    Nobert

    Could you expand on that a bit ?
     
  9. Snuskpelle

    Snuskpelle

    Think he's referring to e.g. S&P 500 membership overpricing. It's going to hit passive investors at some point, but until then it seems like a great idea and equally is one of the world's most crowded trades.
     
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  10. Nobert

    Nobert

    Yes, i view it like this as well, yet, thought, maybe a man has some different reasoning.
    (being open minded, new scenarios etc.)
    Thanks for reply.
     
    #10     Jan 8, 2021
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