One of the key components of successful trading or investing, is the ability to trade around a CORE position. The “core” position as we say, is the main position of the investment or the primary amount of shares or contracts that you wish to have on during the majority of the time you are in a particular trade. Sadly, most people have no understanding of how to apply such a concept, and they plow into a trade or investment in just one single entry. Giving yourself one entry or at best 2, has very limiting implications, but what is even more limiting is the idea of holding just 1 or 2 lots for the entire move. It is true that a majority of market players approach the market in this fashion. They enter once or twice at best and they move into the next phase of the their trading plan which typically is to either STOP OUT on their trade or move to take profits and exit the trade. This is a very amateur and novice approach to the markets. It is possible to achieve winning results with the above mentioned style of market play, however one must adhere to strict risk reward profiles and the opportunity for significant gains outside the normal risk reward profiles is very limited. The ideal scenario and the exceptional gains come from adding to your play. This is the concept of trading “around” your initial entries or your CORE position. Let me show and explain in the below scenarios the difference between taking a core position followed by simply exiting, and the difference of ADDING & REDUCING around the core position. Let’s take an example in our model of a trade on the Dollar vs the Yen (USD/JPY). Back in January of this year, the USD/JPY rallied into the 200 period and 314 period moving averages and then subsequently failed resuming its downtrend. If you had shorted into the rally inititiatiing positions at both of these locations, a short position at 120.45 and an additional short position at 121.45 would have been initiated. If in this example, you shorted a 50,000 lot at each price, your average cost would then be 120.95 for a total position size of short 100,000. A simple stop about 100 pips above the market would then be appropriate giving the trade some room above these 2 main moving averages. Since the failure and rejection in Jan/Feb, the price on USD/JPY has remained in a well defined downtrend, and lets assume in this example that you or the individual is still short as the longterm trend has not been violated and USD/JPY has continued to make Lower Lows and Lower Highs. The current price as of the last daily closing on Friday May 20th, 2016 is 110.14 – shown on the below chart. At the current level of 110.14 on USDJPY, for every 50,000 lot position, USDJPY will move $4.54 per pip. Now if your average cost of the 2 lot entry is 120.95 on a 100,000 size position, and your stop is 100 pips above the market, your risk is 100 pips x $9.08 per pip = $908. Also to enter into a 100k short position, most brokers will give you 30:1 or 50:1 in the USA, outside the US some firms allow up to 200:1, however for our purposes to put on 100k position it costs $3,000 in used margin. Now since the start of the current downtrend and after our initial entries, USD/JPY has made a series of Lower Highs (LH on the below chart) and our model would still be in this play until a break of the pivot Lower High currently around 112. See the below chart for the visual of what the above paragraph just went over. The above is an example of a very nice trade and the model caught a nice long-term downtrend. 10:1 Risk Reward and 227% ROI crushes most returns out there in any other markets. Now lets do one better however, and let’s look at the types of returns one can achieve by applying an Adding & Reducing method as you trade around the CORE position…. Here we have the same 2 lot CORE entries, but we add to the short by selling another 50k short on the break of the Green Real Money Bar, and this type of reversal also creates what we call a Delayed Bear 180. However, after the add we bring our stop down now to the first Stop Adjustment highlighted in orange on the below chart. Next we get another event we call a Green Bar Ignored or GBI this is actually a neutral bar ignored in this scenario but it serves the same purpose – we add another 50k short. Next we take some profit and this is marked by the green “Cover TP1” on the chart. TP1 stands for Take Profit 1, with 1 being the 1st profit taking event in the series. We then move our stop down to above our second add locations high which creates a pivot. Next we get another Sell Setup. From here the next move is a cover into TP2 and we then again bring our stop down to the pivot lower highs. From here you can see on the chart this pattern of Adding & Reducing continues with each Sell Setup in our model and each cover location in the model as well. The last take profit event comes at TP6 where we had 2 exhaustion bars into new lower lows – which our model always takes on new lower lows, and this brought us out of 1 of our initial CORE pieces. The last lot at TP7 could be closed for calculation of profits which we will do in the below paragraph, but this last lot could also remain open with at trading stop applied to the Lower Highs designated on the chart. Below is the chart of the power of compounding a core trade by adding and reducing to the play. Now lets look at the numbers and the results from adding and reducing to the core position… 117.73 Add Short Delayed Bear 180, 50k add = $4.54 per pip used margin $1,500 Commission $4, Covered=>113.13, Reward =>117.73-113.13= 4.6 points = 460 pips…460 pips x $4.54 per pip = $2, 088.40 (minus $8 commissions) 115.92 Add GBI Short, 50k add = same pip calculation as above, Cover => 111.52, Reward=> 115.92-111.52 = 4.4 points, 440 x $4.54 = $1,997.60 112.61 Add Short Topping Tail, 50k add = same as above, Cover=> 110.60, Reward=>112.60-110.60 = 2.01 points = 201 pips, 201 x $4.54 = $912.54 112.75 GBTO, 50k add = same as above, Cover=> 108.38, Reward=> 112.57 -108.38 = 4.19 points = 419 pips, 419 x $4.54 = $1,902.26 Is covering 1/2 of the core position…120.54 Original Entry, 50k position= same calculation as above, Cover=>106.24, Reward=> 120.45 – 106.24=14.21 points = 1,421 pips, 1,421 x $4.54 = $6,451.34 The last entry here is the cover of the last core piece or calculating value of the last open lot…121.45 2nd Original Entry, 50k position = same as above, Cover=> 110.14, Reward=> 121.45 – 110.14 = 11.31 points = 1,131 pips = 1,131 x $4.54 = $5,134.74 For a grand total of $18,486.88!! This is more then double the original core position profits. Its a risk reward of 20:1 and an ROI of 516%! This is the power of Adding & Reducing Risk and trading around a winning CORE position.
The trick is finding a market that is trending like that. I do know a trader that traded a similar style using equities and options. He would buy/sell calls and puts around a core position and essentially use proceeds to constantly add to his position. The problem I always had was that he was very discretionary about where he would trade. His two basic rules that I really like are to maintain a position based on a monthly trend and he would always assume that the market would go against his trade so he would scale in on everything. Once the monthly trend was over, he closed out everything.
It's not a trick, you have to trade on trend. You don't find this you're simply trading on congestion meaning that you will incur more loss at the end. I think your friend is a skilled trader.
One of the key components of successful trading or investing, is the ability to trade around a CORE position ____________________________________________________________________________ Looks like swing trading 101 with position layering (trade management). This is where the big money is made. Shoot for 1,000 point moves and every so often you get one. Shoot for 2 ticks or 2 points and that is the best you will do. I prefer to let the market and time to the work for me by trading around core positions.
Let's see, two posts, selling the dream to greedy newbies who think having couple pretty charts with a market screaming on down, you really think he a vendor? My charts don't look that purdy for long term trading at all. Matter of fact, I am only profitable between 4 to 15% right on each of forty plus instruments that I follow but I am in most of them as it is more of a SAR system, I don't keep those fancy numbers of ROI, cause when you have found out how to hedge.....harder to figure out and really don't care about ROI, if I make more than last year, am happy. Long term commodities, every entry is done against major trends and when most on board for hard trending, am purdy decent as to when to hedge open profits looking for retracement and should trend change, at some point close out hedge and add more to my "core" position going the other way , hee hee hee. I now love trading long term Commodities, wasn't always that way in beginning 1985. But currencies are most consistent longer term sector. And what you can do to make it more profitable, find countries that have their exchanges, then when you think that currency bottoming out against USA currency, exchange from U.S. Dollars to that currency and then trade in their exchanges, you won't have any more exchange fees, keep it in their currency till you think it has topped than exchange to next currency bottoming out. So you make profits trading their exchanges and you make more money when you exchange eventually to U.S.Dollar. TaDa. Some currencies I don't trade as they have lack of options. Does anyone do much long term trading Eurodollars and I know lots do spreads on them, huge option plays.
That was kind of my point. This style of trading relies on the ability to get in to a trending market. Otherwise you will chop yourself up with this style.