The perils of seeking saviours.

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Tuxan, Sep 16, 2024.

  1. Tuxan

    Tuxan

    The Colombian phrase "no dar papaya" literally translates to "don't give papaya," but its meaning is closer to "don't make yourself an easy target" or "don't invite trouble." In Colombia, where few people can rely on the police or legal system for justice, the expression reflects a pragmatic mindset: it's better to prevent a situation where you're vulnerable than to deal with the consequences afterward.

    When people say "no dar papaya," they’re not excusing criminal behavior or blaming the victim in a moral sense. Instead, it's a practical reminder to stay alert and avoid unnecessary risks. The idea is that, in a world where protections are often limited, you bear some/most responsibility for your own safety by not presenting opportunities for others to take advantage of you.

    It reflects the reality that, without much redress for wrongs, people focus more on personal accountability and prevention, urging each other to avoid situations that might lead to them being targeted. This attitude, while pragmatic, can sometimes feel like victim-blaming, but in context, it's meant to encourage individuals to protect themselves in a world where institutional help may rarely come.
     
  2. notagain

    notagain

    Protect yourself from corrupt gov't by not working for them in the first place.
    Why did we put our entire life info into a smart (spy) phone and now we can't do without the convenience.
     
  3. Tuxan

    Tuxan

    Yes, you need to do that, remove your electronic trace entirely. Well goodbye then.
     
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  4. Tuxan

    Tuxan

    So libertarians have this idea that order is self organizing, has no need for a government with order emerging naturally, free from bureaucracy, and actually, after a fashion it does.

    Its just that it will end up like Colombia. If you have a problem with somebody your choices are just suck it up or maybe kill them much of the time.

    The sound of sucking is deafening here.
     
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  5. spy

    spy

    Tux, once again, is being a hypocrite. The way you're framing this is obviously:

    Blah, blah, blah... Trump should get his own security detail.

    Blah, blah, blah... the gubment should give hand/bail outs to nearly everyone else since their actions have no consequences.

    Can't have it both ways. What's good for goose Tux, what's good for the goose. I'm getting off the soapbox now.

    Good-bye, have fun attacking your straw-men ;)
     
  6. Tuxan

    Tuxan

    No, though he should, that's not what this is about.
     
  7. spy

    spy

    Well then, you did a rather bad job of explaining yourself. Why not try again? Otherwise you're just trolling or looking for an argument.

    As someone posted on ET before:
     
  8. Tuxan

    Tuxan

    I love my wife, I love the weather, but trying to get anything done in Colombia feels like tackling a sink full of dishes that have been soaking too long; greasy, cold, and unappealing.

    You know you have to just do it, firefight the inadequate and the experience is never getting any better.
     
  9. Tuxan

    Tuxan

    Spy, remember yesterday, you are above all of this.
     
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  10. spy

    spy

    Gotcha... so you are looking for an argument? Lol, well today I have a little free time.

    Ok, I see your point. I don't like NKE right now... but COF is another story!

    ;)
     
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    #10     Sep 16, 2024