The Holy Grail Mindset

Discussion in 'Psychology' started by Money Trust, Jan 4, 2014.

  1. Another thread on the search for the holy grail!? Not necessarily. I just wanted to discuss something to which I've taken notice.

    Every now and then, I may go on Amazon and check out a few of the more well known trading books, and those that are indirectly related to trading. I sometimes get a kick out of reading the reviews. Recently, I was checking out the reviews on 4 different titles, and they were:

    Reminisces of a Stock Operator
    The Alchemy of Finance
    Trading in the Zone
    When Genius Failed: The Rise and Fall of LTCM

    When I'd check out some of the comments, I'd see comments such as "this book doesn't teach you how to trade," or "there's nothing in here that will help your trading." In two of those books, the authors are telling stories. In Soros' book, it reads like a journal. Trading in the Zone is about psychology.

    I found it crazy that would-be traders couldn't read a story without expecting to find some holy grail. There are many people who can learn many lessons from stories, but apparently, these individuals expect to find a "system" in books of this type. Even in Soros' book, I'm amazed that people actually expected him to provide a trading system.

    So, my question is: Do you think that this particular state of mind is problematic? The mindset to which I'm referring is that of always expecting every bit of info that is market-related to "teach" you something?
     
  2. Well, if you pay 50 or a 100 bucks for a trading book, you do expect to learn something, unless you just like to throw your money from the window.
     
  3. You missed my point. Guys are complaining that a book which offers no "systems" or trading method doesn't contain such. Why would one read a book like Reminisces of a Stock Operator and expect to learn a premise trading system or strategy? Why not take such works as what they are and learn the intended lessons? Not every piece of market material is a manual for trading.
     
  4. Redneck

    Redneck


    There’s a saying that comes to mind;

    When the student ready…, a mentor will appear


    I rather interpret it as;

    When a student ready – what the so called “mentor” has been saying all along – will make sense

    Everyone and everything has a lesson or two we could learn

    Every moment..., and every interaction - an opportunity to learn

    We only need be willing and receptive to learning it

    =================


    The mkt provides information – either I’m open to it… or I’m not

    :)

    RN
     
  5. Redneck

    Redneck

    After pondering a bit…maybe I should make my response sound less ‘zen-ish”

    Not nearly as fun, but what the heck....


    Fact

    No one source will provide a trader a complete system

    And it unreasonable to think otherwise

    But;

    We must always be open and receptive to whatever presents itself…, and in whatever form it presented

    Hell, who knows… it may result in an ahh haa

    RN
     
  6. Not quite, Redneck.

    I have read over 300 trading books over the years and some of them (less than 3% unfortunately) do provide the trader with fully (profitable) backtested trading systems, complete with their TradeStation code.

    The rest is just subjective crap that you cannot backtest.

    But hey, as long as the failed trader (err... I mean the author, sorry) is selling copies and luring idiots to his own website, seminars or boot camps ($$$), who cares, right?
     
  7. Maverick74

    Maverick74

    Are you serious? Surely you jest. There is far more valuable information in the above books posted then anybook that provides silly tradestation code. Anyone who believes there is a "code" to making money is probably not making money. Markets don't work on codes. The best books on trading don't reveal "secrets", they give you insights into how other people think.
     
  8. Dear Maverick, a code is simply a computer program (written in C++ or Easy Language for example), not some mystical trading secret from the grave. :p
     
  9. Maverick74

    Maverick74

    If you think computer programs from $40 trading books are going to make you money then good luck with that. You probably also think reading Neal Strauss books are going to get you laid.
     
  10. Then some books are obviously missing from your trading library, my friend.

    Pfff.... Neal Strauss is my student :p
     
    #10     Jan 5, 2014