The hidden, dirty truth about market makers and manipulators

Discussion in 'Trading' started by Ates, Sep 26, 2024.

  1. Ates

    Ates

    I’m revealing the hidden, dirty truth about market makers and manipulators: They claim to be "regulated," but the reality is much more complicated.

    Here’s how BIG GUYS get away without getting caught by the SEC or NFA while trading directly against you and making millions, if not billions.

    If you're a day trader living in the U.S., you're lucky because you're not really on their radar. Traders from some other countries are similarly under the radar, but not everyone is that fortunate. Let’s say you're a trader from Turkiye (like me). While your exact identity may not be shared, you’re tagged with a random identifier, like user_123. This tag might change occasionally, but the system knows that it should be trading against you.

    There’s a central algorithm that all the other algorithms take signals from. For example, user_123 opens a long position on the $NQ. The main algorithm immediately opens a short position and, at regular intervals, sends short signals to the sub-algorithms. Meanwhile, market makers pull their buy orders from the book, causing poor user_123 to get trapped in a losing position. Even if the price comes back to the entry point, it will reverse just before user_123 can exit profitably. As soon as user_123 closes the position, the market immediately turns. But when user_123 thinks they’ve caught the reversal and enters another trade, what do you think happens? That’s right—market makers immediately take it the other way again. And we, the poor retail traders, even gave this a name: Trading against trapped traders. As if we actually know who’s trapped and where.

    In fact, this explains quite clearly why, for example, when the $ES rockets up, the $NQ and $YM might be falling.

    Of course, the question might come up: "Why would they take the risk against a small position?" Think about it—who benefits from user_123’s loss? Do you really think the size of the position matters? And do you honestly believe that all those algorithms throwing out signals all over social media and Telegram are being run by ordinary individuals? That’s quite naive :)

    Oh, I mentioned earlier that if you're living in the U.S., you're lucky, right? Well, not always. If you happen to take the same position as user_123, you're at risk too—and the chances of this happening are not insignificant, around 50%.

    So why don’t they get caught? Because the traders they’re trapping aren’t based in the U.S. The IP addresses are different and harder to track, among other reasons. And perhaps, they don’t even want to catch them, who knows?

    This is how they play this fricking game. And they are playing it damn good!

    What do you think?
     
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  2. maxinger

    maxinger

    When (date, time) did you enter and have failed trades?


    Market makers, algo traders, and manipulators have to earn $$$$ to bring home the bacon.
    Similarly, we have to earn $$$$ to bring home the bacon.

    Avoid trading in a choppy market.
    When the big boys are not decisive, the market might move jerkily.
    If you trade such a market, you will get stopped out due to whipsaws.
    And you have to blame yourself for not sitting on your hands.



    Be thankful to the market makers, algo traders and manipulators.
    For they provide liquidity and perhaps trading opportunities.
     
    Last edited: Sep 26, 2024
  3. tony.m

    tony.m

    Are you serious ? market makers don't see your ip address. If you are really worried use a US based VPN IP.

    I think you have mixed up CFD with Futures Exchange. Do you trade ES or US500 ?
     
  4. MrMuppet

    MrMuppet

    Jesus Christ...the lack of understanding of general market structure in this post is stunning. How does one get ideas like that? Why do you even asume that you are getting played? Just because you lose money?

    At least give us some context
     
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  5. Ates

    Ates

    I don't lose money because i am not trading.
     
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  6. MichalTr

    MichalTr

    I found solution for you. You take your buddy, seat together on two accounts and in the same time one of you go long, another one go short. Then you will cause the internal error in the "main algorithm", then the short algorithms receive contradict orders and also go crazy, they will attack each other, all the system will implode and we all will be free from Matrix

    And that my collegue will be all thanks to your finding here, this little underestimated finding...

    They can laugh now, but we will see who will be laughing last, when they put your monument on the ashes of the main server
     
  7. MrMuppet

    MrMuppet

    So this is like recommending to drink bleach to cure cancer but "I don't drink bleach because I don't have cancer"

    You have no idea what you are talking about yet you're pulling weird theories out of your ass just like that. OK, dude
     
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  8. oshjdf

    oshjdf

    WTF
     
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  9. -Orion

    -Orion

    Paranoid Personality Disorder
    Jain et al., 2024, StatPearls
     
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  10. maxinger

    maxinger

    [​IMG] upload_2024-9-26_21-44-39.jpeg [​IMG]

    Besides PPD paranoid personality disorder, OP is also suffering from
    APP, DAPP
    analysis paralysis problem, data analysis paralysis problem, PTSD, PD, BD etc etc
     
    #10     Sep 26, 2024
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