SPY

Discussion in 'Options' started by oldnemesis, Feb 27, 2016.

  1. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/in...ont-use-this-easy-options-strategy-2016-02-26

    Nice list but I'll do my own trades on it:

    Trade SPY:
    http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=SPY+Interactive#{"range":"5y","allowChartStacking":true}
    Jan '17 130/125 bull put spread for a net credit of $28
    Yield = 28/472 = 5.9% in 328 days or 6.6% annualized
    Prob = 99%
    Expectation = .99(28) - .01(472) = 27.7 - 4.7 = 23

    Trade TLT:
    http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=TLT#{"range":"2y","allowChartStacking":true}
    Jan '17 105/100 bull put spread for a net credit of $25
    Yield = 25/475 = 5.3% in 328 days or 5.8% annualized
    Prob = 94%
    Expectation = .94(25) - .06(475) = 23.5 - 28.5 = -5

    Trade T:
    http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=T#{"range":"5y","allowChartStacking":true}
    Jan '17 30/25 bull put spread for a net credit of $44
    Yield = 44/456 = 9.6% in 328 days or 10.7% annualized
    Prob = 93%
    Expectation = .93(44) - .07(456) = 40.9 - 31.9 = 9

    Trade VZ:
    http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=VZ#{"range":"5y","allowChartStacking":true}
    Jan '17 38/33 bull put spread for a net credit of $29
    Yield = 29/471 = 6.2% in 328 days or 6.8% annualized
    Prob = 97%
    Expectation = .97(29) - .03(471) = 38.2 - 14.2 = 24

    The other symbols in the list have options problems (e.g. negative bids on the spread) so I'll bypass those.

    Best trade?
     
    Last edited: Feb 27, 2016
  2. botpro

    botpro

    Which quotes did you use? Shouldn't the credit be rather $47 or $48?
     
  3. The bid on the spread was $44 when I read it (Options Xpress). It's entirely feasible that a higher fill could be obtained.
     
  4. botpro

    botpro

    Since you gave a link to yahoo I assumed you would have used the options data there. They have:
    Code:
    AT&T, Inc. (T)
    37.13 -0.24(0.64%) NYSE - As of 4:00PM EST
    After Hours: 37.12  -0.01 (0.03%) 7:41PM EST
    
    Puts Jan 20, 2017 :
    
    Strike Contract Name    Last    Bid     Ask     Change  %Change Volume  OI      IV
    ...
    25.00  T170120P00025000 0.39    0.35    0.38    0.00    0.00%   604     57352   31.25%
    28.00  T170120P00028000 0.61    0.59    0.61    0.00    0.00%   2       24213   27.71%
    30.00  T170120P00030000 0.85    0.82    0.87    0.01    1.19%   9       25441   25.90%
    ...
    
    Yes, correct: 0.82 - 0.38 ==> $44.

    I just wonder how you calculated the probability of 93% for the above case?

    Update: I think I've found the formula here: http://investexcel.net/probability-of-a-successful-option-trade/
    I'm going to try it out...
     
    Last edited: Feb 27, 2016
  5. 82 -38 = 44 (sell at the bid buy at the ask)

    That's what I have.
    :)
     
  6. What are 2 sigma April expiration options selling at..on SPY...
     
  7. Here's a probability calculator that produces numbers that are not significantly different from the data used by OptionsXpress in getting the probabilities I show above.

    (the data the calculator is using is a little stale for non-subscribers, but since price behavior is not really log normal anyway, AND we're looking far into the future and ignoring the probability of significant events changing the distribution, it's as good as anything else)

    It's a neat little product and gives some good big picture information if you trade spreads:

    http://www.optionistics.com/calculators/probability-calculator/SPY
     
    Last edited: Feb 28, 2016
  8. botpro

    botpro

    I'm trying to learn and understand these figures by calculating them myself.
    But I'm getting some significantly different results, so I would like to ask if the above calculations were
    done by yourself and their accuracy verified by you, or do these calculation results come from a 3rd party?

    Where I got struck is the calculation of the dividend: are you really sure about the 9.6% dividend above?
    Isn't that nearly like a "free lunch" then? ;-)
    And: how was the number "456" computed? Is it maybe $440 + $16 commission?

    I only get an implied dividend of IDIV=2.35% for the K=30 leg, and IDIV=1.04% for the K=25 leg, if that makes any sense.
    (I admit I only just recently started learning about IDIV)

    This is the data I used for the above case (from yahoo site):
    Code:
    AT&T, Inc. (T)
    37.13 -0.24(0.64%) NYSE - As of 4:00PM EST on 2016-02-26-Fr
    After Hours: 37.12  -0.01 (0.03%) 7:41PM EST
    
    Calls Jan 20, 2017:
    Strike ContractName     Last    Bid     Ask     Change  %Change Volume  OI      IV
    ...
    25.00  T170120C00025000 12.10   10.75   13.55   0.15    1.26%   10      477     47.51%
    28.00  T170120C00028000  9.15    8.90    9.35   0.45    5.17%   1       6134    20.80%
    30.00  T170120C00030000  7.17    7.10    7.30  -0.27   -3.63%   10      9298    15.63%
    ...
    
    Puts  Jan 20, 2017:
    Strike ContractName     Last    Bid     Ask     Change  %Change Volume  OI      IV
    ...
    25.00  T170120P00025000  0.39   0.35    0.38    0.00    0.00%   604     57352   31.25%
    28.00  T170120P00028000  0.61   0.59    0.61    0.00    0.00%   2       24213   27.71%
    30.00  T170120P00030000  0.85   0.82    0.87    0.01    1.19%   9       25441   25.90%
    ...
    
    Thx.
     
    Last edited: Feb 28, 2016
  9. I really can't provide private tutoring. Sorry

    To answer my own question above the best trade is VZ:

    Prob = 97%
    Expectation = 24
     
  10. botpro

    botpro

    Ok, I understand, wish you well, bye.
     
    #10     Feb 28, 2016