So nobody must have a future account. If the FCM fails your money is gone

Discussion in 'Wall St. News' started by Cazza La Randa, Apr 1, 2014.

  1. It appears clear to me that if you want to trade futures you have to open an account with Interactive Brokers

    Just received from Rosenthal Collins Group:

    REVISED RISK DISCLOSURE STATEMENT

    The risk of loss in trading commodity futures contracts can be substantial. You should, therefore, carefully consider whether such trading is suitable for you in light of your circumstances and financial resources. You should be aware of the following points:

    (1) You may sustain a total loss of the funds that you deposit with your broker to establish or maintain a position in the commodity futures market, and you may incur losses beyond these amounts. If the market moves against your position, you may be called upon by your broker to deposit a substantial amount of additional margin funds, on short notice, in order to maintain your position. If you do not provide the required funds within the time required by your broker, your position may be liquidated at a loss, and you will be liable for any resulting deficit in your account.

    (2) The funds you deposit with a futures commission merchant for trading futures positions are not protected by insurance in the event of the bankruptcy or insolvency of the futures commission merchant, or in the event your funds are misappropriated.

    (3) The funds you deposit with a futures commission merchant for trading futures positions are not protected by the Securities Investor Protection Corporation even if the futures commission merchant is registered with the Securities and Exchange Commission as a broker or dealer.

    (4) The funds you deposit with a futures commission merchant are generally not guaranteed or insured by a derivatives clearing organization in the event of the bankruptcy or insolvency of the futures commission merchant, or if the futures commission merchant is otherwise unable to refund your funds. Certain derivatives clearing organizations, however, may have programs that provide limited insurance to customers. You should inquire of your futures commission merchant whether your funds will be insured by a derivatives clearing organization and you should understand the benefits and limitations of such insurance programs.

    (5) The funds you deposit with a futures commission merchant are not held by the futures commission merchant in a separate account for your individual benefit. Futures commission merchants commingle the funds received from customers in one or more accounts and you may be exposed to losses incurred by other customers if the futures commission merchant does not have sufficient capital to cover such other customers' trading losses.

    (6) The funds you deposit with a futures commission merchant may be invested by the futures commission merchant in certain types of financial instruments that have been approved by the Commission for the purpose of such investments. Permitted investments are listed in Commission Regulation 1.25 and include: U.S. government securities; municipal securities; money market mutual funds; and certain corporate notes and bonds. The futures commission merchant may retain the interest and other earnings realized from its investment of customer funds. You should be familiar with the types of financial instruments that a futures commission merchant may invest customer funds in.

    (7) Futures commission merchants are permitted to deposit customer funds with affiliated entities, such as affiliated banks, securities brokers or dealers, or foreign brokers. You should inquire as to whether your futures commission merchant deposits funds with affiliates and assess whether such deposits by the futures commission merchant with its affiliates increases the risks to your funds.

    (8) You should consult your futures commission merchant concerning the nature of the protections available to safeguard funds or property deposited for your account.

    (9) Under certain market conditions, you may find it difficult or impossible to liquidate a position. This can occur, for example, when the market reaches a daily price fluctuation limit (“limit move”).

    (10) All futures positions involve risk, and a “spread” position may not be less risky than an outright “long” or “short” position.
     
  2. A warning to the gold shorts perhaps.

    Sorry, if gold gaps to $1500 one morning, you will be liquidated in short order if money is not wired by end of business day. Thank you.
     
  3. The entire system is rotten to the core
     
  4. "It appears clear to me that if you want to trade futures you have to open an account with Interactive Brokers"

    What do you mean by that? Didn't IB send out this kind of "Risk Disclosure" as well? Do they really have better customer funds protection than others? I also received same "disclosure" terms from Dorman Trading 2 days ago :(
     
  5. There is no mystery here. You get to decide who you take the counter party risk with. For anything but the smallest of sums IB is a very good bet.
     
  6. me1969

    me1969

    Guys, CFTC required them to send it - basically nothing has changed. Your money has never been insured by a FCM (exception is Interactive Brokers which is not a pure FCM) and it is in a segregated account but not segregated from other customers accounts - only segregated from the broker's account.
    Btw: Never leave more funds than necessary with your broker(s).