Should Your 401(k) Be Eliminated to Save Social Security Benefits?

Discussion in 'Wall St. News' started by ajacobson, May 12, 2024.

  1. ajacobson

    ajacobson

  2. smallfil

    smallfil

    401K has nothing to do with Social Security. You can have both a 401K and Social Security benefits because you are putting monies in both. If there was no 401K, how will that save Social Security? Actually, you will be worst off. For one thing, the 401K shields your monies from taxes until you take required minimum distributions at age 72 now. If there was no 401K, you would be paying higher taxes on those monies going to a 401K if it was all taxable. Still, it will not be going to the Social Security Trust Fund. Of course, you probably, would have salted those monies away in an Individual Retirement Account (IRA) if there was no 401K.
     
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  3. ajacobson

    ajacobson

    Wow! The article's case is eliminating the tax benefits of the contribution into qualified accounts.
     
  4. 2rosy

    2rosy

    Wealth redistribution scheme
     
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  5. schizo

    schizo

    Why is social security benefit seen as a free handout by the government? This is your rightful entitlement. This is what you paid all your life in the form of social security tax.

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  6. schizo

    schizo

    @ajacobson, you're old enough to know that they've been saying this same shit since the 80s. And I wouldn't be surprised they keep the same scaremongering scenario going for another 50 years.
     
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  7. ajacobson

    ajacobson

    You might want to read SCOTUS Fleming vs. Nestor. Basically says you own nothing, but we have a new court.
     
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  8. schizo

    schizo

    But I'm not sure if that particular case applies to the article you posted. Here's a brief summary of Fleming vs. Nestor, courtesy of Google's Gemini:

    In the 1960 case of Flemming v. Nestor, the Supreme Court addressed the question of whether Social Security benefits constituted a contractual right. Nestor, the beneficiary, had his benefits terminated after being deported. He argued that since he had contributed for many years, taking away his benefits amounted to a breach of contract.

    The Court ruled against Nestor in a 5-4 decision. They determined that Social Security is a social insurance program, not a contractual agreement. Therefore, Congress has the right to modify the benefits schedule as needed. The Court also said that Social Security payments are not a protected property interest under the Fifth Amendment's Takings Clause. However, they did acknowledge that due process still applies. This means the government's actions must be reasonable, not "patently arbitrary."​
     
  9. ajacobson

    ajacobson

    The Court ruled against Nestor in a 5-4 decision. They determined that Social Security is a social insurance program, not a contractual agreement. Therefore, Congress has the right to modify the benefits schedule as needed. The Court also said that Social Security payments are not a protected property interest under the Fifth Amendment's Takings Clause. However, they did acknowledge that due process still applies. This means the government's actions must be reasonable, not "patently arbitrary."
     
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  10. mervyn

    mervyn

    I myself think it is a good idea. Mind you that even the large firms have a “menu” system, one couldn’t get SPY or QQQ. And the wealthier people can invest their own money.
     
    #10     May 12, 2024