Shorting Bonds - Question

Discussion in 'Trading' started by Palindrome, Jul 27, 2016.

  1. Palindrome

    Palindrome

    If you wanted to short the 30 year bond, would you get long TBT, or short TLT?

    I don't think I want to play this through futures, and I don't want to through options. Any suggestions as to an efficient way to take a position in this for a couple months?
     
  2. TradeCat

    TradeCat

    Good job on identifying that the risk on leveraged instruments is too much for this trade.
     
  3. 1245

    1245

    Why not futures or options on futures? A better pure play and better tax benefits if you are in the USA.
     
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  4. Palindrome

    Palindrome

    I thought about it, but I don't want the full leverage of even 1 contract. I think for my size account and my risk tolerance I would rather smaller size than 1 full contract. I think I could stomach a half a contract. I guess my only options are TLT or TBT, but that is why I am asking I guess.
     
  5. Long TBT or short TLT would both work. Probably get more "shares" using TBT because market is so high now with TLT, therefore TBT should be much lower in price. I don't think TBT has much of a tracking error...check to make sure. FWIW I trade the 30 YR. futures daily. GOOD LUCK!
     
  6. drcha

    drcha

    You can also sell a very deep in the money put. For example, at this moment, I see that the September 2016 155 contract is $15.80, so the time value in this put is only about $0.64. You can reap the benefits of 100 short shares of TLT with a small expenditure, no margin, and limited risk.
     
  7. drcha

    drcha

    Ack, sorry, I mean BUY the put, not sell it...
     
  8. Palindrome

    Palindrome

    Thats' a great idea, pay only a small amount of time value.
     
  9. zdreg

    zdreg

    i have never heard of a leveraged etf that is not subject to tracking error. why should this one be an exception?
     
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  10. Better than most, but not perfect. Holding for a month or two probably o.k., a year not so much.
     
    #10     Jul 28, 2016