Serious errors found in RegT margin calculation formulas

Discussion in 'Options' started by Quanto, Feb 25, 2024.

  1. Quanto

    Quanto

    Serious errors found in RegT margin calculation formulas

    Proof: MarginReq is > S :D
    Code:
    calc_margin_req ShortCall S=100.0000 K=10.00 Premium=91.0166(fCall=1 DTE=90.00 IV=300.00) :
    ITMval=90.0000 OTMval=0.0000
    MarginAcct:  InitReq=111.0166 MaintReq=111.0166
    
    Can someone verify & confirm?

    Used these formulas of Tradestation: the first is InitialMarginReq, the next is MaintMarginReq:

    Call_margin_formula.png.png
     
    Last edited: Feb 25, 2024
  2. Quanto

    Quanto

  3. Quanto

    Quanto

    Imagine this: they demand a margin higher than what the stock costs :D,
    and additionally on top of it one has to pay also the interest for the margin loan!
    Isn't that called usury ?... :D
     
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  4. BAT31

    BAT31

    Get portfolio margin. Problem solved.
     
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  5. Quanto

    Quanto

    For this you meed to be relatively rich.
    The whole system is wrong b/c the poor people need margin, but only the riches get it... :)
    Ie. the riches get richer, the poors stay poor.
    It's all crazy wrong, IMO.
     
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  6. BAT31

    BAT31

    Yes, it is crazy wrong.

    It's also crazy the benefits that PM gets over Reg-T. And yes, you need well over $125,000 to get PM. The 125K is the minimum. But in actuality, you need about 250K to trade effectively.
     
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  7. kbs

    kbs

    Is it not 110.000 anymore with IB!
    And some other brokers around 200.000-250

    But, Yes it is hard to trade with a cash account. Little better with Reg T. But, with port folio PM you can get paid for holding T-Bills, borow/trade on magin, and it mybee exceed your trading platform cost.
     
    Last edited: Feb 25, 2024
  8. Quanto

    Quanto

    In the OP an IV of 300 was used.
    Using IV=20 gives the same logic error :) :
    Code:
    calc_margin_req ShortCall S=100.0000 K=10.00 Pr=90.0000(fCall=1 DTE=90.00 IV=20.00) :
    ITMval=90.0000 OTMval=0.0000
    MarginAcct:  InitReq=110.0000 MaintReq=110.0000
    
     
  9. BAT31

    BAT31

    Correction: You need well over $125,000 (or $110,000 for IB) to use PM effectively.
     
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  10. qwerty11

    qwerty11

    Not true for most, that only applies to a small % of people here (i.e. US inhabitants).
     
    #10     Feb 25, 2024