SEC proposal to restrict 2x/3x ETFs re Proshares note

Discussion in 'Wall St. News' started by KCalhoun, Jan 31, 2020.

  1. KCalhoun

    KCalhoun

  2. Revenooers will do what they're gonna do.... often trying to "protect investors from themselves".. assuming we are stupid and innatentive.

    Until they decide on changes, if any, keep trading them as you will... always congnizant of the "leverage factor".

    Keep in mind that many brokerage houses will limit your ability to purchase a "leveraged ETF with margined funds". IOW.... they don't want you being leveraged 2x with margin money on a 3x leveraged ETF. If you don't know what you're doing, you could possibly end up leveraged 6x to the market... not a good idea regardless of how "smart you think you are".
     
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  3. ET180

    ET180

    Not going to be missed...if you want a larger position, simply buy more of the ETF or go long options. If you can't, then you probably shouldn't be trading with leverage anyway. Only valuable use I see for the inverse ETFs would be to short in an IRA / 401k. If anything, eliminating the leveraged ETFs should make the market more stable by reducing overall leverage. But I doubt it will have much of an effect.
     
  4. KCalhoun

    KCalhoun

  5. jys78

    jys78

    I hope this doesn't go through.

    Used correctly these are very powerful instruments with potential to add substantially to long term performance.
     
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  6. shatteredx

    shatteredx

    I think leveraged ETFs are nice instruments for swing traders.

    But it doesn't surprise me that the data apparently shows that most people lose money trading them.

    Perhaps the feds should ban trading equities altogether since most people lose money doing it? It would be in the public interest :)
     
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  7. comagnum

    comagnum

    Bet this is coming from the greedy thugs at the CME that would like to knock out any competition. A noob can get insane levels of leverage through most brokers including in IRA's via futures or options.

    If anything it's the ETNs that may need more oversight - not ETFs.
     
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  8. %%
    I used that SEC link.[ I also included a slightly off topic thanks for the $40,000,000 fine against TSLA ] And used some of Pro Shares ideas, in my note, in favor of leveraged ETFs........................................................................................................
     
  9. ajacobson

    ajacobson

    Ask your broker to comment as well. This has been a concern for them for almost half a decade.
     
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  10. Fucking HORRIBLE. Who can I write to to tell these regulator fuks to piss off?
     
    #10     Feb 1, 2020