Rogue Trader

Discussion in 'Wall St. News' started by nitro, Jun 7, 2016.

  1. nitro

    nitro

    In the six years since he was fired by the French bank Société Générale,Jérôme Kerviel has never denied making 50 billion euros worth of unauthorized trades or committing forgery and fraud to cover it up.

    The scale of his audacious derivatives trades nearly brought about the demise of the big bank. And the intricacy of the rogue trader’s financial subterfuge was enough to persuade the country’s highest court that he deserved a three-year prison sentence.

    But in a strange turn of rogue trading events, Mr. Kerviel has persuaded a French labor tribunal that he should not have been fired for his actions....

    ...Nicholas Leeson, the former derivatives trader whose fraudulent deals led to the collapse of the British bank Barings in 1995.

    “Anyone know good employment lawyer?” Mr. Leeson posted on Twitter. “If only I had a bank to sue!”...

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/08/b...o-almost-ruined-it.html?partner=msft_msn&_r=0
     
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  2. d08

    d08

    It's the French, 'nuff said. A country controlled by thuggish labor unions that will take the whole country down with them.
     
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  3. dealmaker

    dealmaker

    During the credit crisis French minister of Industrial Renewal, Arnaud Montebourg had asked US tire manufacturer Titan International to save an ailing French company, Titan's Founder and CEO Maurice M. Taylor Jr. responded "how stupid do you think we are"

    http://cnsnews.com/news/article/us-tire-ceo-french-gov-t-how-stupid-do-you-think-we-are
     
  4. Zestilio

    Zestilio

    I feel like it's somewhat similar to Martin Skreli's case, don't you think so?
     
  5. zdreg

    zdreg

    How about these unions being the tipping point for taking down both France and the rest of the EU?
     
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  6. luisHK

    luisHK

    Not one bit like Shkreli, Kerviel didn't appear to make a penny from this, except some bonus (he made around 400k euros in bonus that year from memory, not particulary high for traders)
    Much of his defence rests on the claim his superiors knew about his excessive risks, and the fact a large part of the loss was incurred when the banks liquidated his positions, the case has been going on for years and quite followed by the local media.
    Kerviel turned to religion and walked from the Vatican to the french border before giving himself up to authorities to do a small stint in jail. As it is also the story of an individual fighting a multinational bank and an army of lawyers, he even atracted sympathies from high profile far left militants. A circus.

    But I would definetely concur with the quote below, amazing stuff employees get away with through lawyers in France, sometimes for serious money when they hold an executive position.

    "A country controlled by thuggish labor unions that will take the whole country down with them"
     
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  7. luisHK

    luisHK

    That was quite funny, but Titan finally bought that same company if I recall properly, he might have got a sweeter deal when he did finalize it.
    I would like to check for details but internet is a disaster right now
     
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  8. d08

    d08

    Why would it take down the EU? These radicalized unions are a French phenomenon and to some extent south European. Go to North or East and you won't find this type of behavior. Many Americans seem to assume the EU is very similar across the board but assuming this is like suggesting Costa Rica and Canada don't have much of a difference.
     
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  9. luisHK

    luisHK

  10. zdreg

    zdreg

    the EU may be on a verge of a collapse for many reasons. . I suggested that it might be a tipping point. nothing else
    by the way how different is Italy or Spain?
     
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