Republicans Rage Against The Dying Of Their Favorite Obamacare Memes

Discussion in 'Politics' started by exGOPer, Apr 1, 2014.

  1. exGOPer

    exGOPer

    Obamacare's deadline day brought some shocking news: Despite all its problems, the law was on track to hit 7 million sign-ups, the original projection by the Congressional Budget Office prior to HealthCare.gov's disastrous launch last October.

    It's only a symbolic victory for the White House -- Obamacare's long-term success wasn't contingent on 7 million sign-ups -- but after the troubled rollout that saw the law and the president's approval ratings sink to all-time lows, it's surely one that they'll take. A new analysis also credited the law with covering 9.5 million previously uninsured, a significant decrease in the law's first year. All in all, a good day for a law that hasn't had many.

    But for Republicans, it signaled the end of some of their favorite Obamacare memes.

    More People Have Lost Coverage Than Gained It

    RAND Corp, a non-profit think tank, dealt the death blow Monday in a new analysis reported by the Los Angeles Times. The study concluded that less than 1 million people were now uninsured because their previous coverage had been canceled and they hadn't signed up for a new health plan. The Times estimated that about 9.5 million previously uninsured people had gotten covered.

    Which makes these previous proclamations from Republican leaders obsolete.

    “The Administration is recognizing the grim reality that more Americans have lost health insurance than gained it under ObamaCare," Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) said in a Dec. 19 statement.

    Americans for Prosperity, the conservative group assaulting Democrats nationwide over the law, was still trotting out the line this month. "Millions of people have lost their health insurance, millions of people can’t see their own doctors, and millions are paying more and getting less," said one television ad that PolitiFact rated "False."

    The White House Is Cooking The Books On Obamacare Enrollment

    The denial -- Obamacare 'trutherism', if you will -- had started last week when the White House said that enrollment had hit the 6 million mark. Conservatives called the new numbers into question, with Sen. John Barrasso (R-WY) going so far as accusing the administration of "cooking the books." Sen. Lindsay Graham (R-SC) backed that reading in an appearance on Fox News.

    But these are mostly semantic arguments. It's true that some people won't pay their first premium for their new coverage and the final enrollment number could fall back below 7 million. But Republicans are clearly struggling to process the fact that so many people signed up at all.

    How many did exactly -- whether it's 6.8 million or 7.2 million or whatever the final number -- is immaterial to the law's ultimate success. The allegations of impropriety are simply intended to undercut the unexpectedly good news for the law: A lot of people decided they wanted to have health insurance.

    Low Enrollment Numbers Prove Americans Don't Want Obamacare -- So We Should Repeal It.

    Even though the demand for Obamacare coverage proved to be there in the end, Republicans were still doubling down this week on repeal.

    “The president’s health care law continues to wreak havoc on American families, small businesses and our economy," House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) said in a Monday statement. “House Republicans will continue to work to repeal this law and protect families and small businesses from its harmful consequences."

    Sen. Ted Cruz tweeted #FullRepeal on Monday afternoon. House Budget Chairman Paul Ryan's budget, released Tuesday, repeals most of Obamacare. These statements came alongside a new poll that found support for the law had broken even for the first time.

    The politics of this new reality are still unclear. It remains possible that the Republican base's hatred of Obamacare, paired with the 2014 fundamentals, could be enough to propel them to victory in November. But at some point, the GOP will have to reconcile its long-held worldview with the fact that millions of people are benefitting from the law.

    For today, though, they seem content to rage against the dying of their memes.

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/gop-obamacare-7-million
     
  2. stoic

    stoic

    Nice to see the Socialists tout 7 million sign-ups as a sign of success, especially when fines and taxes are the alternative and the penalties keep rising every year.

    Since History has demonstrated all socialist policies fail, I have no uncertainty that the Affordable Care Act will also fail. Sooner or later.
     
  3. exGOPer

    exGOPer

    Right, expanding private health insurance, a plan created by Conservative think tanks as an alternative to single payer and which was later implemented by a 'SEVERE' conservative and then promoted as a national model is socialist.

    You give stoics a bad name, either change your nick or stop being so stupid.
     
  4. stoic

    stoic

    It matters not who promotes socialist policies they always fail.

    One thing that's always true: When in a debate, and the other side starts calling you names....You've Won!!!
     
  5. exGOPer

    exGOPer

    Two problems with your points.

    1. Obamacare is not socialist, single-payer would be socialist which ACA isn't. So your rant against socialist policies is irrelevant to the subject matter.

    2. Calling something socialist to malign it is name calling. So by your logic, I won.
     
  6. stoic

    stoic

    So if I use the word liberal or perhaps conservative, or even conventional, how about collectivist....or imperialism, capitalism, or this one.....Dialectical Materialism..... (and the list goes on). According to you. that's name calling.

    in the P&R forum no less.
     
  7. Ricter

    Ricter

    Federal holidays are socialist and are not working, repeal them! Now get back to work, people.
     
  8. exGOPer

    exGOPer

    You can use any words you like, just don't misrepresent 'what is'. Calling a massive expansion of private insurance (which is the ONLY Conservative and right-wing alternative to socialistic single-payer) is name calling - either because you are unaware of it's history or are intentionally disingenuous.

    By the way, providing subsidies to expand private insurance is GOP's 'reform' for Medicare (a single-payer system), are you calling GOPers socialist too?

    The opinion of 10,000 men is of no value if none of them know anything about the subject - Marcus Aurelius
     
  9. DHOHHI

    DHOHHI

    Stoic,

    I can only see who you replied to ... I have him on Ignore so I don't see his drivel anymore.

    No reason to argue with him. Facts and logic lose out to his wishful thinking every time.

    Anyone with a brain knows the numbers enrolled are absolutely embarrassing. Out of 48 uninsured they're talking abo9ut 800K to maybe 1 million have paid premiums. And of those ... 80+% are getting a good part of those premiums paid for by someone else. In other words .... most people are only signing up who are happy to get handouts.
     
  10. exGOPer

    exGOPer

    You cons just lie and lie and lie.

    You stated


    I asked

    You replied

    That's a claim you pulled out of your ass, I asked for a source but you ignored me.

    Where did you get the 65% from.

    And you are whining about facts and logic LOL.
     
    #10     Apr 1, 2014