from what I have seen so far , the real deal , founded by Ryan Wright coming from the other prop Apterostrading Apteros was only 60/40 split , now 80/20 with Raen , traders coming from Point72 (Steve Cohen), Gelber ,etc… www.raentrading.com https://x.com/raentrading https://x.com/baynkr
I like this from site (hope they don't mind me copying). Many wannabes (found the holy grail now who is going to fund me? lol) should take heed from this:- Understanding Edge and Efficiency Published on [ January 24, 2025 ] // Written By [ RYAN WRIGHT ] Countless traders fail to make the transition to institutional capital, but not for the reasons most think. The challenge rarely stems from a lack of edge—many demonstrate remarkable skill in reading markets and finding opportunities. The missing piece is efficiency. Ask most traders how they measure success, and they'll point straight to their PnL statement. This narrow focus represents a dangerous blind spot. Consistent, scalable profits demand both edge and efficiency. This fundamental misunderstanding keeps most traders locked out of meaningful scale. Edge vs. Efficiency Edge emerges from market experience, analytical insight, or quantitative research—whatever drives high-probability favorable outcomes. Some edges prove highly repeatable, while others target specific market dislocations for outsized returns. Efficiency measures the economic cost of generating returns. It encompasses exposure management, expected turnover, tail risk, and execution sensitivity. This is where professionals truly differentiate themselves. Edge only translates to institutional success when applied with precision, control, and scalability. The Efficiency Gap While many traders can spot profitable patterns, few can exploit them efficiently at scale. This distinction becomes evident in return sustainability and capital deployment capacity. In institutional settings, efficiency shapes every aspect of strategy development. Professional trading operations prioritize approaches that generate consistent returns while minimizing risk exposure, reducing profit volatility, and maintaining tight control over losses. Traders who grasp this reality prove far better equipped to manage substantial capital allocations. Same Returns, Different Paths Consider two traders generating identical 40% annual returns. The first achieves this through measured position-taking and precise execution, maintaining consistent risk exposure. The second experiences dramatic equity swings, with deep drawdowns followed by aggressive recoveries. While their PnL statements show the same bottom line, at institutional scale these traders operate in entirely different universes. The second trader's volatility makes meaningful capital deployment nearly impossible, introducing three critical problems: Psychological capital deterioration Reduced strategy confidence Elevated risk of forced liquidation during drawdowns At institutional size, these problems compound exponentially. This explains why professional allocators focus intensely on the path to profits, not just the end result. What Professional Firms Actually Measure Institutional trading demands sophisticated performance evaluation beyond basic profit metrics. Professional operations analyze order-level data to uncover efficiency indicators, including execution patterns, market timing effectiveness, and drawdown characteristics. These metrics reveal how returns are generated—not just their magnitude. For example, a trader demonstrating consistent cross-asset returns with controlled drawdowns and efficient capital utilization offers a fundamentally different value proposition compared to one achieving similar results through concentrated directional exposure and volatile equity paths (like momentum traders in NQ futures). Beyond Metrics: The Human Element Traders who demonstrate superior efficiency naturally progress to managing larger capital allocations because their approach emphasizes repeatability over opportunism. They consistently refine their processes, maintain disciplined execution, and scale position sizes effectively. For discretionary traders especially, performance analysis extends deeper. Trading journals reveal decision frameworks—how traders process information, manage risk, and navigate their own behavioral tendencies. Loss resilience and strategy persistence determine long-term viability. Making the Transition: Essential Performance Indicators For traders looking to bridge the gap between retail and institutional approaches, certain metrics demand particular attention: Quantifying Performance Return Consistency: Profit distribution across market conditions and timeframes Drawdown Management: Both interval-based and peak-to-trough metrics Risk-Adjusted Returns: Target institutional benchmarks like Calmar ratio > 2 Market Correlations: Understanding relationship with major risk factors Process and Execution Position Dynamics: Effectiveness in sizing and scaling positions Market Timing: Quality of entry and exit execution Risk Response: Systematic approach to market stress Style Consistency: Maintaining edge across conditions Trading Psychology Decision Framework: Clear, repeatable trade evaluation process Risk Management: Systematic position sizing and loss control Behavioral Awareness: Understanding and managing cognitive biases Loss Resilience: Maintaining discipline through drawdowns The Reality of Professional Trading The fixation on PnL metrics alone explains why so many talented traders plateau. Finding profitable opportunities is necessary but insufficient. The path from profitable trader to professional trader demands understanding that how you generate returns matters as much as the returns themselves. When traders master both edge and efficiency, they see trading through an entirely different lens. What initially appears as unnecessary complexity reveals itself as essential infrastructure for sustainable scale. This transforms trading from a profitable activity into a professional operation. The tragedy isn't that most traders never make this transition—it's that many don't even recognize it exists.
why most traders fail? they are trying to obtain something they have never even experienced. they refuse to face the obvious fact they are ignorant and lost, climbing a stairway that leads to nowhere built from blocks of ill thought-out failed ideas. these people think normally - to be successful at trading you have to think inversely to norm.
Most traders fail because they have no clue about the underlying. They have a hammer and treat everything as a nail. While each market behave differently, + have different stories / drivers. I like this handbook from Macro-ops + think 2 moves ahead & take calculated risk.
LOL. Dude, it looks like every other retail-oriented “prop firm”, with “assessment” and other bullshit. If I had to guess, the claim that they have anyone joining from p72 or Jane street is a sham once you dig into it.
As an ex-prop trader, I have my contact’s In phase 1 you have to make 20K with a static max drawdrown of 8K on a 100K account , ratio of 20/8 = 2.5:1 Margin’s are initial exchange margin’s In phase 2 , they will work closely with you to make adjustments where necessary ,you have to continue trading at the level of phase 1 All fees are given back to you when you make it as junior trader and your first split is 100% of profits up to 250K you will get a LIVE account once you make it as junior trader compare the above requirements (risk/reward) and conditions (much higher leverage >gambler’s welcome) with your typical fake prop where you STAY on a simulated account
In short, you pay them $389 a month for the privilege and you almost guaranteed to fail given the requirements and infrastructure. If by some miracle you pass, I am pretty sure they find another way to fuck you over. Like I said, the usual retail-oriented scam