Question for Pattern Day Traders

Discussion in 'Trading' started by Illini Trader, Jun 10, 2020.

  1. I have not day-traded stocks for several years and have a few questions for those of you that are active day-traders.

    1. Are zero commissions really zero? I looked on IB's webpage and they mention a Transaction Fee on Aggregate Sales and a Finra Trading Activity Fee all the while stating that commissions are zero.

    2. Are you having any problems shorting stocks. I am particularly interested in Apple. Is there an adequate supply available that small traders (under 500 shares) can get filled. The last time I was active I had some difficulty shorting.

    3. Is there any penalty or problem in trading odd lots: (25 shares or 230 shares, etc)

    4. One more question: Is anyone using Sierra Charts to trade stocks with IB. At the present time it appears that this is the only potential way to use SC for anything other than futures.
     
    Last edited: Jun 10, 2020
  2. Ayn Rand

    Ayn Rand

    There is probably some kind of fee but unless you are doing a hundred trades a day it really should not matter much.

    You will have no trouble doing just about anything with Apple. Big time volume.

    Odd lots. If you can pay you can play. Note - In very fast moving markets, regardless of type of size, you may only get a partial fill if placing a limit order of some kind.

    None of the above really apply to pattern day trading.

    Only way to real know is do it and see.
     
  3. VEGASDESERT

    VEGASDESERT

    its funny if you're trading spy etf the money you pay in sec and finra fee
    is about the same as the average futures contract all in commission and fee's.

    1 ES future = 500 shares spy

    500 x 320.00 = 160,000 x .0000221 = 3.54
    500 x .000119 = .06
    Total 3.60

    Average all in round trip ES - 3.50 - 4.00

    Crazy.


    Futures bonus: tax treatment and insane leverage.

    SPY bonus: penny spread, small traders can actually trade
    properly with small size
     
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  4. I guess what I am really asking on this point is what traders are really paying for a round trip of 100 shares of AAPL.
     
  5. VEGASDESERT

    VEGASDESERT

    75 cents
     
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  6. I play AAPL everyday using E-Trade or Schwab and three IBKR pro accounts. What are you asking? I had no problem shorting AAPL at it's all time high getting a fair price. With super liquid stocks you will not have problems.
     
  7. I am asking because the last time I traded as a PDT I could not short SPY and it is very liquid. Thanks for the reply as I wanted info from people who are actually trading it.
     
  8. Weird the SPY was not available, I wonder what the brokerage's logic was?
     
  9. The only message I received was an order rejection saying there were no available shares to short.
     
  10. Another question for Jesse. When I was PDT I had to pay an extra fee for market orders because I was taking liquidity rather than supplying it with a limit order. Is that still the case for marker orders?
     
    #10     Jun 11, 2020