I have only a minimal understanding of options, but occasionally use them as a reference. In my understanding if Put / Call Ratio (PCI) is going down stock index should go up and vice versa. And that's NOT what happened yesterday, on Tue. 3.Sep.2024. PCI was tanking, but S&P 500 was tanking as well. Can some of options experts please explain this?
i have used pcr for 40 years, made many systems with it. it's a valid and interesting tool. overall like many methods it generally will work but there is always what is called a "due theory" sometimes things are just due to fail. doesn't mean their not basically and generally valid. "due theory" Troy Fields - credited gpt 4.o Understanding the Put/Call Ratio (PCR) and its implications on market movements can indeed be complex, especially when it doesn't behave as expected. Here's a breakdown of what might have happened on September 3, 2024, when the PCR was decreasing, but the S&P 500 was also declining: 1. Understanding the Put/Call Ratio (PCR) Put/Call Ratio Basics: The Put/Call Ratio is calculated by dividing the number of traded put options by the number of traded call options. A high PCR indicates that more puts are being traded relative to calls, suggesting bearish sentiment. Conversely, a low PCR suggests bullish sentiment as more calls are being traded. Interpretation: Generally, if the PCR is decreasing (more calls relative to puts), it indicates a bullish outlook, implying that investors expect the market to rise. On the other hand, an increasing PCR (more puts relative to calls) suggests a bearish sentiment, implying expectations of a market decline. 2. Divergence Between PCR and Market Movements Market Dynamics: The PCR is only one of many indicators used to gauge market sentiment. While a falling PCR often correlates with rising stock prices, it is not a guaranteed predictor. Market movements are influenced by a variety of factors, including economic data, geopolitical events, company earnings, and investor behavior. Possibility of Divergence: On certain occasions, the PCR and the actual market movement can diverge due to: Market Reactions to News: If there was significant news or economic data released on September 3, 2024, this could have overshadowed the typical relationship between PCR and market movement. For example, negative economic data or geopolitical tensions can lead to market declines even if the PCR suggests a bullish sentiment. Sentiment Shifts: Sometimes, a falling PCR might reflect short-term optimism or hedging activities rather than a genuine bullish sentiment. Large institutional players might be engaging in hedging strategies, purchasing calls to protect short positions, or offsetting risks, which can affect the PCR without necessarily indicating broader market expectations. Volatility and Market Stress: During periods of high volatility or market stress, the relationship between the PCR and the market may not hold. In such cases, even if the PCR indicates a bullish sentiment, fear and uncertainty can lead to selling pressure, dragging the market down. 3. Specific Considerations for September 3, 2024 Market Events: Consider if there were any notable economic reports, earnings announcements, or geopolitical developments on that day. Such events can cause sharp market moves regardless of what sentiment indicators like the PCR might suggest. Option Market Mechanics: There could have been unusual activity in the options market, such as large institutions adjusting their positions, which can impact the PCR without necessarily reflecting broader market sentiment. 4. Conclusion While the Put/Call Ratio is a valuable tool for gauging market sentiment, it is not infallible. Divergences between the PCR and actual market movements are possible and can be explained by other overriding factors such as news events, investor psychology, and market volatility. To understand these divergences, it's essential to look at a broader range of indicators and consider the context of the overall market environment. In this specific case, despite the falling PCR indicating bullish sentiment, other factors likely drove the S&P 500 lower on September 3, 2024. It serves as a reminder that no single indicator should be used in isolation when analyzing market trends.
i am no option expert but what i would suggest is look at out of money puts and out of money calls. if out of money calls have larger OI than in the money calls then you can deduce two things -one somebody has bought calls and somebody has written calls. so now if GS has bought calls -and you have no way of knowing that-then market will shoot up now you have to correlate this with the technical position of the market. so bottom line in markets, if a= b and b=c, then a=c kind of logic, does not work and so saying or thinking that put call ratio goes up, market will do something, is very simplistic and markets are anything but simplistic
It's nonsense. Ofc I structure everything outside of D1 based upon a risk-reversal figure (put / call vol-figure on index) and upside vol of vol in narrow tech baskets.
There is no color on a P/C contract ratio. Someone traded a large structure in puts (or calls), arbs, etc. You have no way to know what vol printed when it traded. It's worthless. What happened to the trader who bought the market on Aug 1 when it flashed a contrartian "buy"?
I was interested in P/C but as you said it doesn't really provide much useful signal. I guess I am looking for some sort of market/volume profile but for options per expiry. Not even sure if such thing exists.
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