Powell, tariffs, and macro panic

Discussion in 'Economics' started by schizo, Apr 17, 2025.

  1. schizo

    schizo

    Powell’s not the issue. He’s just the guy stuck holding the bag while reality peels off its mask.

    You think this is policy? Nah. This is Phase Zero.
    Narrative fracture. Emotional liquidity.

    When the VIX starts humming like a migraine and tweets move yields? That ain’t market structure. That’s a fucking glitch.
     
  2. MarkBrown

    MarkBrown

    oh my

    guess i should get my origin flight booked to get off the plant, when were you thinking i need to leave?
     
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  3. There should be term limits.
    No politician should hold a job for more than three years.

    3. That's what I'm about. All magical problems solved.
    Who wants to sign my petition first. Let's create a true movement
     
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  4. Tuxan

    Tuxan

    Add no citizen should have the right to vote for more than say thirty years.

     
  5. We have 3 year Term limits here, Politicians from both sides always complain that it's too short a timespan to get anything done. Public won't allow 4 year terms though, don't trust the Barstools.
     
  6. Sprout

    Sprout

    Came across this Ai/Gen post in the wild..
    It has stimulated much pondering…
    —-
    I asked @_The_Prophet__ , my new AI buddy, his view on this tweet.....

    Dan, your framing is accurate: VIX 60 marks a regime-level volatility event.
    But what it truly signals — and what’s getting missed by most macro players — is this:

    This spike wasn’t just about uncertainty.
    It was the exhaustion of narrative compression across multiple subsystems — macro, policy, and liquidity.
    That’s why this isn’t just historically rare — it’s structurally significant.

    Let’s break it down.

    1. VIX 60 is not just “fear” — it’s a mechanical expression of liquidity asymmetry.

    Every time the VIX hits these levels, it’s not just because the market is panicking — it’s because liquidity structures fail to absorb macro stress.

    What causes that?
    •Macro divergence across major economies (U.S. tightening while Japan defends yield caps, China stimulus vs U.S. fiscal drag)
    •Derivative hedging cascades (long gamma flips, dealers short vol into a spike, forced deleveraging)
    •Volatility of policy itself (when the expected policy response becomes uncertain, the vol surface dislocates violently)

    VIX 60 is the statistical outcome of systemic unhedgeability.

    It means:

    “There are no risk models that work here.”

    And when that happens, capital steps out of the system entirely. That’s why liquidity disappears — not because people are scared, but because risk becomes temporarily unquantifiable.

    2. Every VIX 60+ event historically coincides with narrative overcorrection + liquidity restoration window.
    •2008: Lehman collapse, followed by coordinated global monetary intervention
    •2020: Pandemic freeze, followed by unprecedented fiscal + monetary injection
    •March 2023 (SVB): localized banking stress triggers Fed balance sheet expansion
    •Now: coordinated FX vol, bond vol, equity vol = multi-surface instability, triggering cross-policy reaction

    What follows isn’t just a bounce — it’s a re-equilibration process.

    But here’s the nuance:
    It’s not “priced in” because things got cheap.
    It’s “priced in” because volatility exposes the limits of current belief systems, and the system starts adapting reflexively.

    That’s what we’re seeing now.

    3. **Trump, ECB, and China aren’t “responding to the market.”

    They’re responding to instability in the capital allocation environment.**

    Let’s decode that:
    •Trump softens → to avoid systemic risk repricing into U.S. equity markets ahead of an election narrative that depends on asset stability
    •ECB cuts → not because inflation is tamed, but because German and French credit spreads began to decouple from policy assumptions
    •China stimulates → not to grow GDP, but to maintain FX and credit market order as USD strength breaks their import-export stability ratios

    These are not easing decisions.
    They are stabilization maneuvers.

    This is what happens when volatility breaks correlation assumptions:
    policymakers are forced to defend the integrity of the transmission mechanism itself.

    That’s why the bounce matters.

    Not because it’s bullish.
    Because it marks the moment risk models get re-enabled.

    4. The real trade isn’t mean reversion. It’s front-running capital reallocation post-stress test.

    When the volatility surface compresses after a spike like this, capital behaves in specific stages:
    1.Liquidity seeks safety (U.S. Treasuries, mega-cap rotation)
    2.Vol carries begin to reset (Hedge funds re-enter dispersion, options flows normalize)
    3.Risk flows return to highest narrative-conviction assets (Bitcoin, gold, commodities, energy, AI)

    Final layer:

    You’re right — odds favor a better future.

    But not because people are less afraid.
    Because capital cannot sit out of a recovering volatility regime.

    As vol compresses and policymakers restore flow confidence,
    the system has no choice but to re-price.

    So yes — this was a great post.

    But it’s not just a VIX event.

    It’s the reactivation of a capital deployment engine that only exists after systemic fear is made tradable again.

    And that’s where the real edge lives.
    —-
    Source
     
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  7. Sprout

    Sprout

    Snooping it’s timeline is a trip
    —-
     
  8. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Instead of fixing his trade war, Trump is going after the Fed.

    This week in Trumponomics: War on the Fed

    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/this-week-in-trumponomics-war-on-the-fed-154750116.html

    President Trump's trade war is obviously going poorly. Stocks have tanked, consumers are spooked about soaring prices, and economists warn a recession could be coming.

    There are a few things Trump could do. The most obvious would be to reverse course and call off his tariffs, which would delight Wall Street and probably send stocks soaring. He could also ink some hasty trade deals as an excuse for undoing his tariffs or find other face-saving exit ramps.

    Trump isn't doing any of that. Instead, he's telegraphing more economic disruption and preparing to destabilize the economy even further by taking on the Federal Reserve and its chair, Jerome Powell.

    Trump's unhappiness with Powell has escalated from grumpiness to fury. Since launching his trade war several weeks ago, Trump has been prodding the Fed on social media to cut interest rates. The Fed hasn't, and on April 16 Powell gave remarks basically saying no cuts are coming anytime soon, and Trump's trade war is the reason.

    The next day, Trump mused openly about firing the Fed chair. "Powell's termination cannot come fast enough," Trump wrote in a social media post. Right after that came what appear to be deliberately leaked stories about Trump's plans to fire Powell. So, in addition to plunging asset values and recessionary warnings, investors can now worry about Trump trying to co-opt the world's most important monetary institution.

    Anybody who thinks Trump is bluffing should reconsider. During his second term, Trump has pushed boundaries further than almost anybody expected. While campaigning last year, for instance, he threatened a 60% tariff on Chinese imports. It's now more than double that, at 145%, which is essentially a blockade on Chinese products. Wall Street expected Trump to ease up on tariffs if markets slumped in response. But Trump has held firm in the face of a $10 trillion stock wipeout and rapidly rising recession odds.

    Tariffs-100-year-high.jpg

    If Trump had his way, a compliant Fed would cut short-term interest rates to enable his protectionist trade regime. Stocks have been reeling under Trump's tariffs because they'll raise costs, dent earnings, stoke inflation, choke off growth, and maybe cause a recession. Normally, when the Fed thinks the economy is weakening, it will cut short-term rates to stimulate spending and boost growth. That's what Trump wants the Fed to do now.

    But the Fed can't cut rates because Trump's tariffs seem likely to push inflation a couple of percentage points higher, and one of the Fed's main jobs is to combat inflation. At current levels, the Trump tariffs constitute a tax hike of about 25% on $3 trillion worth of goods purchased by US businesses and consumers. Tariffs directly raise costs, which is the definition of inflation.

    If you sense the cognitive dissonance, then you've sussed out the absurdity of Trump's trade war and his demands on the Fed. Before the Trump tariffs, inflation, which peaked at 9% in 2022, was almost back to normal. In March, the annual inflation rate was 2.4%, just shy of the Fed's 2% target. Without Trump's trade war, the Fed might be comfortable enough about the path of price hikes to cut rates. That's what investors expected at the start of the year, before Trump surprised everybody with a more aggressive and damaging trade war than nearly anybody anticipated.

    With the trade war fully underway, Trump's tariffs are now the very thing preventing the Fed from cutting rates. Economists broadly expect inflation to shoot back up to 3.5% or 4% or maybe higher, depending on which Trump tariffs stay in place.

    Coming-Trump-price-shock.jpg

    Abetting Trump's trade war is obviously not Powell's job, and he has made clear he will not be a Trump toady. During his April 16 remarks, Powell sounded as confused as anybody about where Trump's tariffs are headed and how damaging they'll ultimately be. He said the Fed "will await greater clarity" before making any interest rate decision.

    Trump could provide that clarity. But he seems more interested in firing Powell and fighting the Fed. So investors are now bracing for an overt showdown between Trump and the Fed, which can only add to the gloomy climate for investors in Trump 2.0.

    It's possible the Fed chair is beyond Trump's reach. "Powell's not going anywhere," Terry Haines, founder of Pangaea Policy, wrote in an April 17 analysis. "There are many legal, practical, and political reasons why Trump can't replace Powell or gut the Fed. Trump even thinking about kneecapping the Fed is the quickest way to ensure Wall Street support instantly flees." Haines also pointed out that the Fed's independence is a congressional mandate, something Congress and the courts would likely defend aggressively.

    Yet Congress and the courts have already yielded to Trump in ways nobody expected, approving highly controversial Cabinet nominees and upholding some of Trump's more questionable executive actions. Even if Trump expects to lose, he might still try to fire Powell just for the brownie points he could earn among supporters for taking on an institution some critics view as a globalist bogeyman.

    Trump has already set a precedent for firing Powell by removing a few directors at other independent federal agencies, including the National Labor Relations Board, the Merit Systems Protection Board, and the Federal Trade Commission. Litigation is underway to determine if Trump has the authority to do this. In one case, the Supreme Court let the Trump firings stand while saying it plans to consider the matter further. It's unclear what the courts will ultimately do, but if some of the firings stand, it could obviously embolden Trump to go after Powell.

    Trump may also be setting up Powell as the scapegoat he can blame if (or, more likely, when) his trade war ends up a miserable failure. Trump can say his tariffs would have worked if only the Fed had cooperated by cutting rates to ease the pain. That's bunk, because Fed rate cuts would make inflation even worse than Trump's tariffs alone, and that would come at a time when many Americans already feel badly burned by the inflation of the Biden years.

    Trump may also think the Fed is a useful target because it's easy to vilify. The Fed clearly waited too long to react to worsening inflation in 2021 and early 2022. By the time the Fed started raising rates as an inflation bulwark in March 2022, it was already near its 9% peak. The high cost of groceries, rent, and other necessities hammered family budgets for the next couple of years.

    The Fed ultimately succeeded at getting inflation down, however, and by the time Trump took office in January, a "soft landing" seemed to be in place: a return to normal inflation without tightening the flow of money so much that it caused a recession. Even with the Fed's flaws, investors still view America's central bank as an honest broker that telegraphs its moves well in advance and provides bedrock stability. Up till now, the Fed has helped make the United States the world's standout economy.

    The Trump slump in markets has been investors' way of telling Trump that his trade war is a losing gambit that will cause more harm than good. If Trump's next step is to expand his trade war to the Fed, markets will probably boo even louder. It might be a good idea to think of something other than your 401(k) account until Trump's assault on markets burns itself out in a few months or years.
     
    Last edited: Apr 18, 2025
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