Only about 50% of ultra-Orthodox men work.

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Bugenhagen, Nov 15, 2023.

  1. Bugenhagen

    Bugenhagen

    An interesting piece on the parasitic nature (well they were not able to pray Yaweh into intervention) of Haredi Jewish men.

    They and Palestinian women are the least productive members of society.

    I'd wonder how many US conservatives know about these loafers living off state benefits? These bums literally live off Amercian aid.

    https://www.reuters.com/world/middl...-orthodox-men-work-faces-pushback-2021-07-26/

    Israeli government wants more ultra-Orthodox men to work, but faces pushback
    By Steven Scheer
    July 26, 20217:34 AM GMT-5Updated 2 years ago
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    JERUSALEM, July 26 (Reuters) - Israel's new government is looking to take advantage of a rare political opportunity to push more ultra-Orthodox Jewish men into the workforce to boost the economy, a measure that could pit powerful religious leaders against politicians.

    By 2065, Israel's "haredi" community is expected to make up 32% of Israel's population, up from 12% now, according to official estimates.

    Only about 50% of ultra-Orthodox men work. The other half study religious texts in seminaries, and the Bank of Israel and economic leaders have warned of long-term strains on the budget if they are not integrated into the workforce.


    "Raising the employment and labor productivity rates of the ultra-Orthodox population, especially men, are issues of strategic importance to per capita GDP, labor productivity, and reducing income disparities between the ultra-Orthodox and the rest of society," The Bank of Israel told Reuters.

    But for much of the last 12 years, two ultra-Orthodox parties provided support to former Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's ruling coalition, effectively preventing any change.

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    Now no ultra-Orthodox parties are in government, and Finance Minister Avigdor Lieberman is a determined secularist. Haredi men, says Lieberman, should "earn a decent living that is not based on allowances and handouts".

    He has already fired his first shot; a plan that would require both parents being employed to receive state subsidies for child daycare.

    PUSHBACK

    Haredi politicians have roundly attacked the proposals. Moshe Gafni, head of the United Torah Judaism party, called Lieberman "evil".

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    Many ultra-Orthodox families are large, and are often supported by women, of which 78% hold jobs.

    Devorah Lipner, a 22-year old ultra-Orthodox woman who runs a non-profit organisation in Jerusalem, said she may have to quit her job since she does not expect her husband to stop his Torah studies.

    "The lifestyle of the ultra Haredi community is that Torah comes first and everything else comes second ... (and) it is my democratic right to live as per my religion," she said.

    "Making life more expensive and more impossible is a very funny way of making people go out to work."

    The Haredi community and some analysts have urged the government to not enact policies that may ultimately backfire and force women out of the workforce at the expense of men.

    Eitan Regev, deputy chief executive of the Haredi Institute for Public Affairs, sees poor pay as an obstacle to rapid integration - many ultra-Orthodox men cannot command high salaries as they never studied English, maths and science.

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    "If job opportunities are created and the proper training is given so that the entry wages are high enough to compensate for what they will lose -- like Torah study -- then they will enter the labour market," Regev said.

    State support for the Haredim and exemptions from military service have long been an irritant to many Israelis.

    But the new government's wafer-thin majority may prevent Lieberman implementing reform - Prime Minister Naftali Bennett may need Haredi parties to join his coalition if others abandon it.

    One crucial sector is high-tech industries. Around 10% of university students studying technology are ultra-Orthodox, and 10,000 Haredim work in the sector, 7,000 of them women.

    Moshe Friedman, whose organisation Kamatech works to integrate his fellow Haredim into the tech sector and help them start businesses, said they could fill the vacancies that high-tech firms are advertising.

    "I see a lot of young Haredim who want to join the workforce and technology industry. They are coming to us by the thousands," Friedman said, adding that the government "needs to just help them with better education and better training."

    Reporting by Steven Scheer; Editing by Mike Collett-White
     
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  2. Bugenhagen

    Bugenhagen

    So... If the Haredi don't do the earning and don't do the fighting/dying leaving that to the secular Jews no wonder they are all behind the police action/massacre. It was Auguste Comte who famously said “Demography is destiny". They will sooner outnumber the more secular Jews they look down on and theocracy will be the nor.. More norm.
     
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  3. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    My understanding is the more orthodox Jews oppose and in fact were amongst the most vocal of opponents to early stages of zionism (which was a secular project couched in religious rhetoric). The reason being, Israel's not supposed to be handed to the Jews until god comes and gives it to them near the end of times or some shit. This sect being based in Israel may not share those views I suppose.
     
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  4. Bugenhagen

    Bugenhagen

    Indeed, the Israeli Zionist ones have twisted things with regards the command that Jews should never have a homeland until their messiah comes etc etc.

    There is a split with Haredi Jews nevertheless these men live off benefits all over Europe. They are not just bums in Israel.

    When I lived in London I would see Haredi Jews at all times of the day and pondered on their actual employment. A friend explained that they often have their families, big families, living in relative poverty on benefits. Probably in smaller numbers than Israel however.
     
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  5. Bugenhagen

    Bugenhagen

    Of course other cultures like Buddhists and Catholics have monks etc. But they live off voluntary donations and often a productive business run by the order.

    They don't live off their poor wives and social welfare.

    Buddhist monks tend to the monestery for a while as young men, have a family and work, possibly go back to monking in retirement etc.

    Buckfast monks rake in record £8.8m in profits as they deny tonic wine causes carnage in Scotland
    A sheriff last week said there is a link between Buckie and violence but the monks say majority of people who drink the tonic wine do so responsibly*

    https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/...monks-rake-record-88m-9456590#google_vignette


    *cloistered monks in southern England don't get to Scotland so much. It's not just the bucky driven violence but the stuff leaves absolutely the worst rings on furniture and alkies rarely have a coaster in their pocket.
     
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  6. Bugenhagen

    Bugenhagen

    Now they do defend themselves by saying that their devotions "keep Israel safe" (yep and with a serious face).

    More like American taxpayers eh?

    Pray to the god Raytheon fellas.