One contest where election fraud is significant...and perpetrated by Democrats

Discussion in 'Politics' started by gwb-trading, Jan 9, 2019.

  1. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Rep. Rachel Hunt, D-Mecklenburg did the same thing as Harris in the 9th congressional district. She hired a political operative to collect absentee ballots. However in her race the Democrat-controlled State Elections Board declared the number of ballots in question is lower than the margin of victory and certified the election. The margin of victory was 68 votes and there are 300 absentee ballots in question - so their math is very poor. On this basis the State Election Board should do the same thing in in the 9th district race where the 580 Absentee Ballots in question are less than the 905 vote margin of victory.

    Group says NC House winner shouldn't be seated
    https://www.wral.com/group-says-nc-house-winner-shouldn-t-be-seated/18110767/

    A right-leaning advocacy group has called on the General Assembly not to seat the winner of a close House election in Mecklenburg County when the new legislative session begins Wednesday.

    The North Carolina Values Coalition said Tuesday that it combed through absentee ballot records in the House District 103 race, and there are enough votes in question to throw the race to outgoing Rep.

    Bill Brawley, R-Mecklenburg, who lost to Democrat Rachel Hunt by 68 votes.
    The lion's share of votes the group targeted are valid, though, under State Board of Elections rules. The group questions those rules.

    The coalition said it found some 300 votes in the district where the dates witnesses signed absentee ballot envelopes didn't match the dates of voter signatures, throwing into question whether anyone actually witnessed those votes as required by law.

    Given that Hunt won absentee ballots in her race by 480 votes, Values Coalition Executive Director Tami Fitzgerald said the improperly marked votes were likely enough to swing the election.

    The House district lies completely within the 9th Congressional District, where results have been held up by a state investigation into absentee ballots, and Fitzgerald said throwing out these ballots would likely increase Republican Mark Harris' margin in that race.

    Elections board spokesman Patrick Gannon said the mismatched dates the Values Coalition called attention to "may suggest a good starting point for an investigation," but they're not enough to throw out votes.

    State law requires two witnesses or a notary public to sign off on mail-in ballots, but it doesn't require them to date those signatures. The state board added date lines to the forms after the 2016 elections, Gannon said, as a way to identify potential fraud.

    The law doesn't mention them at all, and last April, the state board told county boards of election to bear that in mind when judging whether ballots are valid and to consider that "a witness may have simply written the wrong date."

    That policy "throws every close election across the state into question," the Values Coalition said in a report prepared ahead of a Tuesday afternoon press conference. Fitzgerald accused the board of malfeasance.

    "It is clear that the board mishandled these two elections and who knows how many more," she said.

    In an email, Gannon said the agency welcomes "all credible evidence of alleged misconduct," but that "today’s characterizations of this agency’s efforts miss the mark." The North Carolina Democratic Party called the Values Coalition's effort "a desperate, last-minute attempt to deny a seat to a lawfully-elected representative."

    Hunt, who is former Gov. Jim Hunt's daughter, did not return a message seeking comment Tuesday. Neither did Brawley. Fitzgerald said she called him Tuesday morning and that he was supportive.

    A spokesman for House Speaker Tim Moore didn't respond to a request for comment on whether House leadership would consider holding up Hunt's seating when the General Assembly comes back into session. The state constitution gives both legislative chambers the power to judge "the qualifications and elections of its own members," much like the U.S. Congress, but it would be extraordinary for the House to refuse to seat someone after an election victory was certified.
    Gerry Cohen, a long-time legislative attorney before retiring to private practice in 2014, said he couldn't recall a modern example of a North Carolina legislator not being seated.

    There has been controversy, though. In the early 1980s, residency questions dogged a Republican state senator in Mecklenburg County, but the Democratic Senate majority declined to move forward, Cohen said.

    Harris' election to the 9th Congressional District was never certified by the State Board of Elections, and the Democratic majority in Washington, D.C., has indicated they won't seat him until that happens. Fitzgerald's group began its inquiry by looking for irregularities in the 9th District, and it turned to House District 103 in part because of Hunt's narrow win there.

    In addition to the mismatched dates, the inquiry turned up at least five votes where the voter didn't actually live in the district. Several of those were cast by young people living away from home whose parents had lived in the district but then moved.

    Voting in a district you don't live in is a potential felony, though the law generally requires people to do so knowingly. Cohen said a college student whose parents move out of district may still be considered a resident of that district in some cases. He used the example of a Chapel Hill student whose parents move from Mecklenburg County to Colorado.

    "You'd have to look at the specific facts," Cohen said. "If the student actually at one point lived in District 103 ... the student's residency doesn't change to Colorado automatically."

    Mismatched dates on witness signatures are not uncommon. The state has released absentee ballot envelopes from Robeson and Bladen counties as part of its investigation into the 9th District election, and there are a number of mismatched dates there.

    Signatures in those counties also indicate that the same people witnessed dozens of ballots, which is not illegal but is a red flag for investigators looking for evidence of a door-to-door operation to collect ballots, which is against the law. The Values Coalition said it found no such pattern in House District 103.

    Mecklenburg County Elections Director Michael Dickerson called the coalition's report "good work" that "keeps you on your toes." But he said the mismatched dates shouldn't invalidate votes.

    "Had the General Assembly been concerned about it, they would have put date into (the law), too," Dickerson said.

    At any rate, Cohen and Dickerson both said it's too late to challenge any of the votes the coalition flagged.

    "That ship has sailed," Dickerson said.

    Hunt to be seated in NC House
    https://www.wral.com/hunt-to-be-seated-in-nc-house/18113018/

    Incoming state Rep. Rachel Hunt, D-Mecklenburg, will be seated Wednesday despite a last-minute request from a right-leaning advocacy group.

    House Rules Chairman David Lewis confirmed the move after a House Republican caucus on the first day of the 2019 legislative session. "She's an elected member of the House," said Lewis, R-Harnett. "There's no standing, and nobody's going to say anything."

    The North Carolina Values Coalition called on the GOP majority Tuesday afternoon not to seat Hunt, who won a close race over incumbent Republican Bill Brawley, over inconsistencies it found with absentee ballots in her district.

    The group found a handful of people who voted by mail-in ballot in the race despite not living there. In several cases, these were young people whose parents once lived in the district but had moved away.

    The group said it found some 300 absentee ballots where the date voters signed paperwork didn't match the dates of witness signatures. Two people are supposed to witness the actual voting process and attest they did so with their signature.

    If the dates don't match, it calls into question whether those votes were actually witnessed as required by law.

    The State Board of Elections has told local boards of election, though, that conflicting dates aren't enough to void ballots. The law requiring witnesses to attest mail-in ballots doesn't say anything about dating those signatures.

    Hunt won her race by 68 votes in one of the most expensive General Assembly races in the state last year. She is former Gov. Jim Hunt's daughter.
     
  2. gwb-trading

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  4. gwb-trading

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    State elections board in closed session on 9th District
    https://www.wral.com/state-elections-board-in-closed-session-on-9th-district/18176124/

    The new State Board of Elections met in closed session Thursday morning to hear details of the ongoing investigation of 9th Congressional District results.

    The board went into closed session just before 10:50 a.m. during the board's first formal meeting, and the board also started the process of approving detailed rules for North Carolina's new voter ID requirements.

    Those rules will go through an approval process that includes a public comment period and a public hearing that the board set for March 13.

    The draft rules, along with the legislation that lays out other coming voter ID requirements in the state, are available online. Among other things, the rules lay out the process local election boards must use to issue free photo identification cards and the rules colleges will follow for student IDs to be accepted at the polls.

    The State Board of Elections also approved hundreds of appointments Thursday to repopulate county boards of elections. Both the state board and the county boards were dissolved last year by a court order.

    The state legislature has tinkered repeatedly with the boards' makeups, and Gov. Roy Cooper sued Republican leadership over the changes, leading to a long-running lawsuit over separation of powers that culminated with the changes being deemed unconstitutional.

    The old board's dissolution left the 9th District race unresolved, but a public hearing is planned for Feb. 18 to lay out what state investigators have found in Bladen and Robeson counties, where issues with absentee ballots have led some to question the results.

    New board Chairman Bob Cordle said Thursday's closed session would allow staff to present findings to the board ahead of that public hearing.

    "I think you'll find it all very interesting," he said.

    Cordle stressed that the investigation was begun by the board's nonpartisan staff, not the board itself.


    Republicans have suggested that the inquiry was tainted by partisanship. A recent board chairman resigned after scrutiny of some of his social media comments, and his replacement was not named to the new board. Both are Democrats and Cooper appointees.

    Cordle, also a Cooper appointee and a long-time member of previous state election boards, said board staff brought issues to the old board's attention before that board decided – in a pair of bipartisan votes – to delay final results in the 9th District.

    He also noted that most of the board's professional staff was brought on under former Republican Gov. Pat McCrory's administration.

    The board's county appointments Thursday did not cover all 100 counties in the state. In about 25 counties, the board is waiting for more nominations from the Republican and Democratic parties. The board also delayed appointments in Bladen County, where there are questions about absentee ballots and the local board's handling of last year's elections.

    Local boards now number five members: Four named by the state board from party nominations and a chair selected by the governor.
     
  5. Good grief. Luther Hodges is spinning in his grave.
     
  6. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

  7. Wallet

    Wallet

    This is an example of your thread content before your temporary absence. What happened?
     
  8. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Same now as it was before. I outline the facts.. and my opinions are based on the facts and evidence.

    One primary principle is that "justice" should be applied equally - the standards set for one party should be applied to the other party.

    In the above situation you have a Democrat-led election board applying "justice" to a Republican candidate but ignoring the same exact situation with a Democratic candidate.

    I should also note Rachel Hunt is the daughter of former four-term Democratic N.C. Governor Jim Hunt. This connection made the entire situation high profile and the Democrats did everything possible to place her into office - including manufacturing over 300 absentee ballots for a race she only won by 68 votes.

    Republican Bill Brawley who lost the race as an incumbent in 2018 is planning to run again in 2020. Polling shows he has the lead in the district over Rachel Hunt.
    Brawley touts bipartisanship in bid for NC House seat
    https://thecharlotteweekly.com/news/2019/11/brawley-touts-bipartisanship-in-bid-for-nc-house-seat/

    As AAAintheBeltway mentioned above -- Luther Hodges is spinning in his grave. Luther Hodges was well-known during his heyday as a N.C. Democratic organizer for stuffing ballot boxes, manufacturing votes, paying people off with money in brown bags, and many other election shenanigans while running the Democratic machine in our state. If resurrected from the grave today, it would be hard for him to imagine a state where Democrats were not allowed to do these things. North Carolina was run by Democrats for over 100 years from 1898 to 2010.
     
    Last edited: Apr 14, 2020
  9. exGOPer

    exGOPer

    Nothing but conspiracy theory based on what a loonie 'right leaning' group said, where was the investigation like they did with the Republican fraud? One and a half years and nothing came out of it. That's right, you latch on to one complaint and pretend it's the same, so typical of you. Now you will ask me to google sources that don't exist. Counting on it.
     
  10. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Let's walk through the recent history of "ballot harvesting" in North Carolina again.
    1. Democrats demand that the NC Congressional District 9 election be overturned (after the Republican candidate wins) and a political operative be criminally be charged for "ballot harvesting". Leslie McCrae Dowless, the political operative, is criminally charged and the election overturned. The new special election, of course, is won by a Republican, Dan Bishop.
    2. The Democrat-controlled state election board refuses to investigate "ballot harvesting" by an operative for Democrat Rachel Harris in the NC House District 103 race.
    3. In 2019 the Republican controlled state legislature passes stronger anti "ballot harvesting" legislation; the Democrats take legal action in court to overturn it.
    I will note that the Clinton ex-lawyer, Marc Elias, in the article about Nevada below... is the same one driving the legal action in North Carolina to allow "ballot harvesting".

    Ex-Clinton lawyer threatens to sue Nevada unless ballot harvesting permitted
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/lawyer-threaten-to-sue-nevada-unless-ballot-harvesting-is-permitted

    A prominent Democratic lawyer who represented Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign is threatening to sue the state of Nevada unless it immediately suspends prosecutions for ballot harvesting before the June 9 primary, among a slew of other demands, according to a letter obtained by Fox News on Tuesday.


    So which is it Democrats? Should "ballot harvesting" be allowed? Or not allowed?
    Or is the plan only to allow "ballot harvesting" for Democratic candidates and not allow it for Republicans?
     
    #10     Apr 14, 2020