Offsetting price risk

Discussion in 'Professional Trading' started by lasner, Feb 18, 2011.

  1. lasner

    lasner

    I currently trade on 100k. I typically like to purchase 100k worth of notes and then trade against them.

    1 year notes yield nothing right now. 30 year bonds yield close to 5%. I want to put all of it in 30 bonds but then I have to worry about price risk if I want to exit.

    Anyone have any inexpensive good ways to hedge the price risk?
     
  2. 1) You could simply "hedge" with other futures, options or ETF's. :)
    2) Instead of owning treasury securities and "trading against" them, you could merely keep your account in cash and use option credit-spreads to generate "interest" that you could earn otherwise. :cool:
    3) Is it worth it for you to buy treasuries with your account size as it is? :confused:
     
  3. lasner

    lasner

    How much safety is there in this? There is some risk in a credit spread though?
     
  4. lasner

    lasner

    I guess I could purchase a 30 year bond. I would have to margin 9% of my account.

    I would want to hedge the price risk so I would have to purchase put options on 30 year bonds. Or sell futures on 30 year bonds. When I margin a 30 year bond are there 30 year bond options or futures that will cover me??
     
  5. Strike price differential minus the credit. :cool:
     
  6. ?.....Dude! :eek:
     
  7. lasner

    lasner

    I know I've never traded bonds
     
  8. lasner

    lasner

    I'm just looking for a way to go into a 30 year bond and cover my price risk.

    I trade through Interactive Brokers. I called them and they told me that if I went into a 30 year bond on margin buying options to hedge is not the same thing??
     
  9. If you hedge it perfectly you will end up with only the risk-free rate. If you want the 5% yield you have to take the risk of holding the long bond.
     
  10. lasner

    lasner

    Thanks for the feedback...sorry but I'm a little confused on bonds. I can margin 9% of my account and trade against it. Can I also short futures contracts against the bond. I called my broker they told me no...that they were two different products???
     
    #10     Feb 20, 2011