The U.S. navy carrier with a COVID-19 outbreak has the most comprehensive COVID-19 testing and screening program on the face of the earth at this point. Let's take a look at the information: Five sailors catch COVID-19 with symptoms and recover. The sailors test negative twice and are restored to the ship. The five sailors come down with symptoms of COVID-19 and test positive again. This situation is not about lingering RNA strand leading to a positive COVID-19 test results weeks later - it is about victims getting COVID-19 for a second time. The Variables: Could the tests not be accurate? Possibly. The real problem is that these sailors developed symptoms twice --- weeks apart. This is the strongest indicator that the first infection does not provide natural immunity. Bottom Line: Recovering from COVID-19 does not provide natural immunity to catching it again. What it means: The COVID-19 strategy used by Sweden is most likely the worst public health decision in recent decades. Their non-lockdown strategy was done with no understanding if natural immunity was provided to victims after recovery from the first infection. As outlined by WHO the only path to "herd immunity" is via a vaccine. The broader policy impact: Anyone proposing a "only lockdown the high risk people" strategy is proposing a public health disaster. In other words - these uninformed people are pushing an agenda that is completely irrational. Sailors on sidelined carrier get virus for second time https://apnews.com/0cae34376380ab4150002a58bd9934b9 Five sailors on the U.S. aircraft carrier sidelined in Guam due to a COVID-19 outbreak have tested positive for the virus for the second time and have been taken off the ship, according to the Navy. The resurgence of the virus in the five sailors on the USS Theodore Roosevelt underscores the befuddling behavior of the highly contagious virus and raises questions about how troops that test positive can be reintegrated into the military, particularly on ships. All five sailors had previously tested positive and had gone through at least two weeks of isolation. As part of the process, they all had to test negative twice in a row, with the tests separated by at least a day or two before they were allowed to go back to the ship. The Roosevelt has been at port in Guam since late March after the outbreak of the virus was discovered. More than 4,000 of the 4,800 crew members have gone ashore since then for quarantine or isolation. Earlier this month hundreds of sailors began returning to the ship, in coordinated waves, to get ready to set sail again. In a statement Friday, the Navy said that, while onboard, the five sailors self-monitored and adhered to strict social distancing protocols. “These five Sailors developed influenza-like illness symptoms and did the right thing reporting to medical for evaluation,” the Navy said, adding that they were immediately removed from the ship and put back in isolation. A small number of other sailors who were in contact with them were also taken off the ship. Pentagon spokesman Jonathan Hoffman said the outbreak has been a learning process. “This is a very stubborn, infectious disease,” he told Pentagon reporters during a briefing on Friday. He said that because of the Navy’s quick action, medical crew were notified right away and determined who might have also been exposed and got them all off the ship. As of Thursday, more than 2,900 sailors have reboarded the ship, and about 25% of the more than 1,000 who had tested positive have now recovered, according to the Navy. (More at above url)
inb4 navy heads roll on presidential orders. This explains why servicemen weren't being allowed back into service aftr conraccting COVID. Now the question I have is, did the virus re-emerge or did they catch it again in the ship? Kind of reads like they caught it again, but then why not quarantine the entire ship at that point?
US adds 1,680 coronavirus deaths in 24 hours: Johns Hopkins The United States recorded 1,680 coronavirus deaths in the past 24 hours, bringing its grim total to 87,493, according to the latest real-time tally Friday reported by Johns Hopkins University. The country — hardest hit by the pandemic in terms of the number of fatalities — has now confirmed a total of 1,442,924 cases, the Baltimore-based school reported.
So much for COVID-19 "natural herd immunity"... 8 more sailors aboard US ship test positive a second time https://www.wral.com/8-more-sailors-aboard-us-ship-test-positive-a-second-time/19101477/
The first 5 cases definitely had symptoms twice based on the previous articles.. For this group of 8 this particular article makes no mention of symptoms.
This doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I thought that reinfection only occurred after the mutation of a virus. I don't see how that's possible after only a couple weeks. It seems much more likely that the tests were false positive or the virus never fully cleared their systems. We're in big trouble if the virus truly does mutate that quickly, because that means a vaccine won't help.
The number of reinfections seem extremely small.Out of 5 million covid cases I only read about less than 100 people getting reinfected.
Bottom Line.... In spite of what we/politicians want... we don't know enough yet about the virus to make big policy decisions. (I was talking to 2 docs yesterday who say the same as I... and are personally maintaining cautions in spite of the desire to "open up".) 3 BIG questions... 1. As we emerge from lockdown, will there be a second wave.. and more severe than the first? 2. If the virus subsides over the summer as does the cold virus complex, will there be a new emergence in the fall that might be even more wide-spread and virulent? 3. If having recovered from infection, do you have immunity from re-infection (that's starting to look like a big "no".... and that's especially scary.) Nobody knows yet.
So, these sailors test negative two times then, a positive? So, they must be positive? Only an idiot believes that. Now, if you are really trying to find the truth, you test the sailors using multiple test kits, using different methods to make sure your results are even accurate. And what if you get positives and negatives from various test kits? Defective test kits are all over the place and the European Union even had issues with it. Why do you think China is retaliating and holding medical equipment and medical supplies in its ports with its customs thoroughly, opening each box and inspecting it? It is all a show because how do the Chinese know which one is defective? Are they going to test each test kit? Then, they would have to throw it away? In the meantime, boxes of medical equipment and medical supplies remain in its ports overflowing because of the tedious process by the Chinese. For all the talk of relying on science, there is no science when you do not even vet your results? Absolute nonsense.