New York Charges Manafort With 16 Crimes. If He’s Convicted, Trump Can’t Pardon Him.

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  1. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/13/nyregion/manafort-indictment.html

    New York Charges Manafort With 16 Crimes. If He’s Convicted, Trump Can’t Pardon Him.

    Paul J. Manafort, President Trump’s former campaign chairman, has been charged in New York with mortgage fraud and more than a dozen other state felonies, the Manhattan district attorney, Cyrus R. Vance, Jr., said Wednesday, an effort to ensure he will still face prison time if Mr. Trump pardons him for his federal crimes.

    News of the indictment came shortly after Mr. Manafort was sentenced to his second federal prison term in two weeks; he now faces a combined sentence of more than seven years for tax and bank fraud and conspiracy in two related cases brought by the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III.

    The president has broad power to issue pardons for federal crimes, but has no such authority in state cases.

    While Mr. Trump has not said he intends to pardon his former campaign chairman, he has often spoken of his power to pardon and has defended Mr. Manafort on a number of occasions, calling him a “brave man.”

    The new state charges against Mr. Manafort are contained in a 16-count indictment that alleges a yearlong scheme in which he falsified business records to obtain millions of dollars in loans, Mr. Vance said in a news release after the federal sentencing.

    “No one is beyond the law in New York,” he said, adding that the investigation by the prosecutors in his office had “yielded serious criminal charges for which the defendant has not been held accountable.”




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    The indictment grew out of an investigation that began in 2017, when the Manhattan prosecutors began examining loans Mr. Manafort received from two banks.

    Last week, a grand jury hearing evidence in the case voted to charge Mr. Manafort with residential mortgage fraud, conspiracy, falsifying business records and other charges. A lawyer for Mr. Manafort could not immediately be reached for comment.


    Earlier this month, Mr. Manafort, 69, was sentenced in Virginia to nearly four years in prison on one of his two federal cases, far less time than prosecutors had requested; on Wednesday, he was sentenced in Washington, D.C., to serve an additional three and a half years. He could face up to 25 years in New York state prison if convicted of the most serious charges in the new indictment, which is expected to be announced later on Wednesday.

    The loans were also the subject of Mr. Mueller’s investigation and were the basis for some of the counts in the federal indictment that led to Mr. Manafort’s conviction last year in Virginia. But the Manhattan prosecutors deferred their inquiry in order not to interfere with Mr. Mueller’s larger investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 presidential election.

    In recent months, prosecutors in the district attorney’s Economic Crimes Bureau resumed their inquiry and began presenting evidence to the grand jury, several people with knowledge of the matter have said.

    The district attorney’s office determined some time ago that it would seek charges whether or not the president pardoned Mr. Manafort.


    Mr. Manafort’s lawyers likely will challenge the new indictment on double jeopardy grounds. New York state law includes stronger protections than those provided by the United States Constitution, but prosecutors in Mr. Vance’s office have expressed confidence that they would prevail, people with knowledge of the matter said.

    In the Virginia case, Mr. Manafort, who worked for Mr. Trump’s campaign during a critical five months when he became the Republican Party’s presidential nominee in 2016, was convicted in August on eight counts of various financial crimes.

    At the trial, Mr. Mueller’s prosecutors presented evidence showing that Mr. Manafort used foreign accounts to hide millions of dollars he earned from his political consulting work in Ukraine and evade taxes, and lied to banks to obtain millions of dollars in loans.

    About a month later, he pleaded guilty in the related case in federal court in Washington, D.C., and agreed to cooperate with Mr. Mueller’s office. But the deal did not last long, blowing up after a federal judge ruled he had repeatedly lied to the government about his contact with a Russian associate during the campaign and after the election.

    Prosecutors claim that the associate, Konstantin V. Kilimnik, has ties to Russian intelligence, and have been investigating whether he was involved in a covert attempt to influence the election results.
     
  2. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark

    Shot out to the homie Rodger Stone:D
     
  3. exGOPer

    exGOPer

    It's ok, guys. These are just process crimes.
     
  4. UsualName

    UsualName

    Interestingly, if you do the timeline on this stuff, Manafort was into the eighth year of a ten year crime spree when Trump picked him up as his campaign manager.
     
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  5. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark


    Lol!!!
     
  6. Palindrome

    Palindrome

    The problem is, I don't think there is 1 Trump voter that would not vote for him again.

    Trump voters don't care about Manafort.

    I would also argue that there is a large division on the left, terrified of the extreme left ideas.

    Trump should easily win a re-election despite Manafort.

    I'm not really into politics, just looking at betting odds, and I would say the left has a more uphill battle then the right.
     
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    Tony Stark

  8. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark

    I think there are millions of voters who voted for Trump and won't do so again.Even if they did,Trump only got 63 million votes.House democrats nearly matched that in November,the first time in US history that a mid term house election nearly matched the prior presidential election winners popular vote.
     
  9. Palindrome

    Palindrome

    I live in a very democratic part of the country high taxes, tons of illegals etc (no joking, 1 in 11 households in my town have illegal aliens and the taxes on my home are 18k and continue to rise). I typically don't talk politics, but I am somewhat surprised to hear stereotypical democrats roll their eyes at this new democratic party, especially with the amazon issue.

    I can only imagine what is going through the minds of people in wisconsin and ohio and PA.

    Then there is Bob Mueller investigation... I just find it hard to believe that people are paying much attention to it.

    Again...just trying to look at this from space looking down on earth, I think the left will have even more of an uphill battle this go around. I would not bet the farm on it, but I would bet 25k if the payout was 1 to 1.4 which takes into account the odds you posted.


    One last point....If you compare the Russian Collusion Case VS Amazon getting out of NY, which resonates more? Difficult call, but what if the Mueller investigation leads to nothing.... what resonates more?

    Difficult to quantify, but that will probably be the predictor for 2020.
     
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  10. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark

    They just won Senate races on those states in 2018,along with,Michigan,Nevada,Virginia ,Minnesota ,and Arizona.Dems even came within 3 points in Texas,a seat that was previously won by 16 and 25 points in the prior 2 elections.

    Trumps approval ratings are below 50 in all states mentioned as well.

    I think Trump loses by at least 10 million votes in 2020.
     
    #10     Mar 13, 2019