Najarian brothers' trading records

Discussion in 'Options' started by Pekelo, Aug 8, 2017.

  1. Pekelo

    Pekelo

    I got curious about them, how they made their 25 (Pete) and 50 (Jon) millions, respectively. Their bio says they were running "Mercury Trading, a market-making firm at the Chicago Board Options Exchange (CBOE). Two years later, he was responsible for the firm’s risk and arbitrage which led to its entry in the New York Stock Exchange (NYSE).
    Between 2000 and 2004, Mr. Pete Najarian served as the president of Mercury Trading who oversaw the company’s sale to Citadell LLC."

    So to me it is more market making and selling a successful firm to a larger firm rather than trading what made most money for them. I am still looking for more info.

    If anyone knows about their trading record, please chime in...

    Edit: Funny thing, googling it, this came up:

    https://www.elitetrader.com/et/threads/how-great-is-najarian-s.285654/
     
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  2. Pekelo

    Pekelo

    https://www.cxoadvisory.com/3188/individual-gurus/fast-money/

    This is from 2009, somebody examined Fast Money's expert picks, and the result:

    "In summary, the Fast Money experts as a group probably do not offer fast money with their stock picks, and their stock-picking ability as a group is unimpressive."

    Pete was the 2nd best out of the 5, losing only 5% when the market went down -11% in the examined 13 weeks period...
     
  3. ajacobson

    ajacobson

    Know them both well. Was at Jon's wedding. Can't speak to their recent performance, but in the past they were real.
     
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  4. They're TV people not real traders
     
  5. What's considered "real"?

    What kind of trading performance numbers are we speaking, o_O

    ...it can't be That good, for that long -- Most likely as Pekelo mentioned...they got rich by creating a business and selling it to a bigger firm,
     
  6. ajacobson

    ajacobson

    They ran successful DPM firms. My nephew clerked for them. I think if want hard numbers you might want to ask them. I worked for the CBOE at the time.
    All the DPMs were b/ds and did have to file focus reports.
     
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  7. 2rosy

    2rosy

    Yes, market making back then the quotes were wide. If you're not market making, then scalping, spreading, arbing. Anything but "trading".
     
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  8. I've been looking for CNBC panel results for 2016 with out success but here is 2015...
    BTW my return 33.8%
    CNBC2015Return.jpg
     
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  9. All losses, if you just put your capital in an interest bearing account, you'd beat these guys. Not good.
     
  10. You wouldn't believe oracle of omaha's 2015 return, i've seen -11 to -15% . Search the web, you'll find it...
     
    #10     Aug 8, 2017