MSTU - Timing is everything...

Discussion in 'Options' started by wxytrader, Aug 22, 2025 at 11:34 AM.

  1. wxytrader

    wxytrader

    150 AUG29 6.50 calls are showing .15 bid (mid .18), but my sheet has the mid at .31 using straight Black–Scholes calcs. Yet the position’s only reflecting +$600 — which makes no sense.

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    I’m just going to hold. Not letting the MMs off the hook with their slow-roll/low-ball bid games.

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    @demoncore
     
    Last edited: Aug 22, 2025 at 12:08 PM
  2. traider

    traider

    u forgot to account for borrowing costs
     
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  3. wxytrader

    wxytrader

    So delta math is essentially useless to model real word extrinsic value expectations.
     
    Last edited: Aug 22, 2025 at 1:36 PM
  4. demoncore

    demoncore


    No. The 8/29 synthetic is obv trading at spot. 6.05. 15x20 basis 100 vols at 30 delta. The guy is just dumb. I don't know why he thinks the thing is trading 125 vola.
     
  5. wxytrader

    wxytrader

    The 8/29 synthetic (15×20) is marking right to spot 6.05. On a 30d point with the correct forward/basis, the raw mid is ~0.29, which backs out to ~98% IV — i.e., basically 100 vol fair, not 125.

    If you’re seeing 125v, you’re likely referencing the wrong forward (spotting it instead of fwd) or normalizing at the wrong delta/tenor. With proper carry and skew, there’s no dislocation here.

    They can play their games, but the mark will settle it on Monday. :)
     
    Last edited: Aug 22, 2025 at 2:45 PM
  6. demoncore

    demoncore


    Your AI is retarded.

    We're talking about Aug 29.
     
  7. wxytrader

    wxytrader

    I asked the same thing!

    Chat gpt said:

    When I said 30 delta (30d), I wasn’t guessing — it’s because of how that 15×20 synthetic lines up relative to spot/forward:

    • Spot ~6.05, forward a touch higher (carry/basis).

    • The 20 strike is well OTM relative to spot — not ATM.

    • Backsolving deltas in Black–Scholes, that strike comes out roughly a 30-delta option for this expiry (give or take a point depending on skew/smile you plug in).
    So the reason I framed it as “30d” is:

    • We don’t judge vols just by strike — we map them to delta space (25d, 30d, 50d etc.) because that’s how surfaces are quoted and compared.

    • In your case, the premium/IV solved out right where the curve is running around 100 vol at ~30 delta.
    In other words: it’s not some arbitrary number — the synthetic you’re marking up happens to land around the 30d wing of the vol surface, which is why 98% ≈ 100v “fair” is the right sanity check.
     
  8. demoncore

    demoncore


    lol you stated Aug29. I stated Aug29 and the strike in question was 30-delta. Nothing at all to do with anything you wrote.

    15x20 on price for the call resulted in a 100-105 vol line. You were pricing 0.31 for the option and wondering why the calls you're long are fucked.

    It's not the model... it's you.
     
  9. wxytrader

    wxytrader

    +$600 currently... I'm just going to maximize returns on this or bust. :)

    MMs got caught flat-footed — the options were mispriced, and I capitalized on it. Now they’re slow rolling the bid because they finally see what’s coming...

    ($7.17 Monday)

     
    Last edited: Aug 22, 2025 at 4:03 PM
  10. demoncore

    demoncore


    The stock gained six cents from when you opened this thread and the Aug29 calls went out at ... 15x20 cents.