Right, right. Let's get the "election denier" crap out of the way. All of the people who voted - all election deniers. I'm one for posting this thread, and Rasmussen is one for doing the poll. Face it, folks. We can either address these concerns and the ridiculous policy of not having transparent, secure and functional elections or we can continue down this road until things turn violent. If this crap happened and a Republican won, the Democrats would be up in arms - and rightly so. So stop with the "my team won so I don't care" crap and focus on the problems. Most Voters Share GOP Concerns About ‘Botched’ Arizona Election Wednesday, November 30, 2022 Problems with the election in Arizona have Republicans furious, and a majority of voters nationwide agree that the “sacred right to vote” is at risk. The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that 71% of Likely U.S. voters believe it’s likely – including 40% who say it’s Very Likely – that problems with the election in Maricopa County affected the outcome of the Senate election in Arizona. Twenty-three percent (23%) don’t think the problems affected the Senate election, in which Democratic Sen. Mark Kelly defeated GOP challenger Blake Masters by a 51%-47% margin. (To see survey question wording, click here.) The gubernatorial race in Arizona was even closer, with Democrat Katie Hobbs edging Republican Kari Lake by a margin of less than 20,000 votes. After reports of Election Day problems with vote tabulation in Maricopa County, Lake called the election “botched” and declared: “This isn't about Republicans or Democrats. This is about our sacred right to vote, a right that many voters were, sadly, deprived of on November 8th.” Seventy-two percent (72%) of Likely Voters agree with Lake’s statement, including 45% who Strongly Agree. Eighteen percent (18%) disagree, including 13% who Strongly Disagree, while another 10% are not sure. The survey of 750 U.S. Likely Voters was conducted on November 27-28, 2022 by Rasmussen Reports. The margin of sampling error is +/- 3.6 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence. Field work for all Rasmussen Reports surveys is conducted by Pulse Opinion Research, LLC. See methodology. Ninety-four percent (94%) of voters have closely followed recent news about this year’s Senate elections, including 66% who have Very Closely the news. Among those who have Very Closely followed news about the Senate elections, 70% think it’s likely problems with the election in Maricopa County affected the outcome in Arizona, including 48% who say it’s Very Likely the Arizona Senate outcome was affected by the problems. A majority (52%) of Republicans believe it’s Very Likely the Maricopa County problems affected the Senate election outcome in Arizona, an opinion shared by 23% of Democrats and 45% of voters not affiliated with either major party. Sixty percent (60%) of Republicans, 35% of Democrats and 41% of unaffiliated voters Strongly Agree with Kari Lake’s statement about many Arizona voters being deprived of their “sacred right to vote.” More women voters (43%) than men (37%) think it is Very Likely that the Senate election outcome in Arizona was affected by the voting problems in Maricopa County. Women voters are also more likely than men to Strongly Agree that the “sacred right to vote” was at stake. Sixty-eight percent (68%) of whites, 73% of black voters and 80% of other minorities believe it is at least somewhat likely that problems in Maricopa County affected the outcome of Arizona’s Senate election. Black voters (37%) are less likely than whites (44%) or other minorities (48%) to Strongly Agree with Lake’s quote about the “sacred right to vote.” Breaking down the electorate by income categories, those earning between $30,000 and $50,000 a year are most likely to think the Senate election outcome in Arizona was Very Likely to be affected by Maricopa County voting problems. President Joe Biden’s strongest supporters are least concerned that voting problems could have altered the election outcome in Arizona. Among voters who Strongly Approve of Biden’s job performance as president, just 22% think it’s Very Likely the outcome was affected by voting problems in Maricopa County. By contrast, among those who Strongly Disapprove of Biden’s performance, 71% believe the Arizona Senate election was Very Likely affected. Plans by Republicans in Congress to investigate Hunter Biden’s foreign business dealings meet with approval from a majority of voters. Republican congressional leaders remain unpopular, even with their own party’s voters, who overwhelmingly want to get rid of Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell. Additional information from this survey and a full demographic breakdown are available to Platinum Members only.
There was a Trump funded audit conducted by a Trump supporting company of AZs 2020 election and the results were around 1000 more votes for Biden.The handpicked Trump AG and FBI Director said there was no evidence of fraud that would have that would have changed the outcome of the election.Over 50 Federal Court cases with some if them being in the courts of Trump appointed Judges thrown out. This nonsense needs to stop.
I'm not saying that the Trump/Biden election was fraudulent or invalid. I'm not saying any election was. All I'm saying is that if you want this nonsense to stop (and I do, too) then you need to have more secure elections without "inconsistencies" and "irregularities" and "two weeks before we can declare the election" and "we just found a box of ballets" and ballot harvesting and all sorts of crap like that. If you think those are fine and would be allowed anywhere else in the world, then you'll continue to get "nonsense" like this. Its just the nature.
Post-COVID elections need a closer look and an overhaul COVID changed education and healthcare, and it changed how we work, socialize, and practice religion. COVID also changed how we vote. Many of our COVID-era election practices would not pass muster with even the most permissive of election observers. Transparency, security, and perceived fairness of the system across states and key counties could suffer unless we plan changes now. Ballot drop boxes without tamper-evident seals, secured with $8 hardware-store padlocks in Washington, D.C.? Week-long delays in regional results reporting? Handfuls of automatically mailed ballots subject to no or only cursory signature verification? Those practices could have sparked revolution in many of the countries where I have worked with national election commissions. Many election practices engineered in strange times no longer work when normal life reasserts itself. For instance, people in several post-Soviet countries were duly suspicious of the “mobile” ballot box once used by Soviet authorities to juice turnout and enforce party discipline in local precincts. Most of those boxes were abandoned for reasons of transparency, public confidence, and sloughing off of near-compulsory voting. Ideas pitched as simple matters of convenience, of course, always have their partisans. Mobile ballot box canvassing, for instance, resurfaced with Soviet flair in Moscow’s September 2022 sham referendum in Russian-occupied Ukraine. In countries with little or only intermittent experience in competitive democracy, my colleagues and I helped build election commissions as credible institutions of governance. We contributed to discussions of mechanics in open parliamentary sessions and behind closed doors when asked by national leaders and election managers. Every country’s case called for carefully negotiated processes that kept fairness and transparency top of mind. In several cases, those who forced new procedures without due deliberation were shocked by ugly outcomes (e.g., delays, missing materials, deluges of complaints and lawsuits) on Election Day. Building on my international election work with the United Nations and the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe, I worked with the National Association of Secretaries of State to convene more than twenty of the country’s top election officials soon after the Supreme Court’s Bush v. Gore decision. Most of these officials set aside partisan perspectives and local idiosyncrasies for at least part of our working sessions as we detailed potential areas of change. With the 2022 midterm elections now behind us, and before the next cycle begins in earnest, state and national leaders in both major political parties should have a good-faith discussion about how well the elections went and how they should be conducted next time. One principle to guide future changes to post-COVID election mechanics in the U.S.: “Fairness to each and fairness to all.” Fairness to each voter means that registration and voting should not place a disproportionate burden on any eligible voter or group. Fairness to all requires that only eligible voters take part so as not to dilute the value of any individual vote cast. Both parties could embrace this simple idea as they hash out the changes which might or might not unfairly advantage one side or another. So, how can fairness in elections be achieved as we make changes? Each state will have its own answer on election specifics. That’s the nature of our federal system. Power dynamics and the savvy and persuasiveness of party leaders, their technicians, and their lawyers will impact the design of how we vote. With COVID set aside as a driving force, the states now have a chance to build systems that reflect the fairness-to-each-and-all principle. Are drop boxes, automatically mailed ballots, and door-to-door collection of ballots right for post-pandemic times? Do they maintain integrity and create trust? Are they fair for all, or are they leveraged for the benefit of only some? Do they compromise the perception of secrecy needed for people to vote their conscience or to withhold their votes altogether? With the pandemic behind us, let’s challenge the states to determine which practices from the strange times of COVID should be abandoned. Ideas for change can come from across the country and abroad. Let’s take the time to examine the fairness of COVID-era practices and retire those that stand in the way of an election that is fair for one and all.
150,000,000 people vote... I am not sure you can remove entirely all inconsistencies that can pop up but to the credit of the U.S. no voter fraud has ever been found or proven beyond some minor issues that have no effect and all of these have been complained about by recent losers of elections as though their loss can be overturned by some fantasy conspiracy. The courts are always available to redress wrongs but case after case it seems the accuser is spreading the nonsense really. Elections should always strive to be as clean as possible but it makes it worse when Keri Lake cant accept that she lost and keeps rattling the cages or Mike Lindell is still claiming he has proof trump won in 2020....it gets to be too much.
The majority of 8 year olds believe a fat guy in a red suit breaks into their house once a year too. The problem isn’t the what people believe it’s the people who tell them what to believe. Here is what I will say, Trump and the republicans did this to themselves. They’re too hard headed to encourage their followers to take advantage of early voting and vote by mail because they have labeled them as a means of fraud. The problem with that is that limiting your voters to one single day of in person voting has a higher rate of people not voting. And in close elections like Trump in Pennsylvania or Lake in Arizona, it makes all of the difference. So people on the right complain but they’re just mad at themselves ultimately. If all of the disgruntled republicans voted in accordance with what the law allows then they would probably have have won more states, governorships, senate and house seats.
Trump candidates underperformed by 5%… but let’s talk about “inconsistencies” instead of the real reason high profile Trump candidates lost.
More than 7 in 10 Americans believe in angels. Why not ask the angels to fix Arizona's election system?